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April 23, 2007   |   9 Comments

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"Environmentally, the project has significant advantages because of low emission of greenhouse gases through the conversion of waste streams to energy and a high energy efficiency ratio. Simply put: as the only Biodiesel Refinery in the nation with this level of energy efficiency, we will not be energy dependent on fossil fuels and volatile energy markets."

-- Dennis Corderman, XL Dairy Group, chairman and CEO
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April 23, 2007
Sounds too good to be true. I suspect their idea of "energy ratio" is different from mine.

Their website, http://xldairygroup.com/ says "On-site energy production improves the energy ratio for ethanol to an outstanding 10:1, compared to 1.21:1 for typical ethanol plants."

Where you generate the energy and whether it's renewable or not, shouldn't change the fact that you are consuming that energy, so I don't see how it should change the energy ratio.
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April 23, 2007
Sounds too good to be true. Where are they getting the corn. Arizona is bone dry!
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April 24, 2007
Carolyn-

Our use of the phase "energy efficiency ratio" is not intended to display overall energy use or consumption, but to describe what is know in the energy industry as EROEI (Energy Returned On Energy Invested). EROEI decribes the number of BTUs produced relative to the BTU inputs required to produce them. This calculation takes into account all of the energy inputs required by the plant (growing and harvesting the corn, transportation, delivery, etc.) and relates them to the energy output of the plant in the form of ethanol. We will produce 10 units of energy in the form of ethanol for very 1 unit of energy utilized. This number is significant because the most efficient ethanol production facility in operation today only has an EROEI of 5 to 1, we are trying to state that by creating our own electricity and natural gas on-site, we will be displacing the same amount of fossil-based electricity and natural gas that would have had to have been purchased through a utility.
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April 24, 2007
Darsun-

The project will be receiving its' corn from the Midwest via 110-car (unit) trains. You may be asking why we would do this...the simple answer is that the railroad systems in place today in the US are designed to haul corn more efficiently than they can haul ethanol. Since California is the biggest market for ethanol as an additive in the US, it makes more economic sense for us to bring the corn in by train and deliver the ethanol by truck than it does to locate near the corn supply and try to ship the ethanol by rail.
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April 25, 2007
Our MANURE2ENERGYtm systems have the flexibility to add downstream processing of the liquid waste by bacteria that convert ammonia to nitrites, and remove sulphites.

Another downstream use being promoted by Vermont's bio-energy czar, is a new strain of algea which grow on the liquid waste media and are very oil rich...he won't tell me any details despite insistent questioning last week.

The Arizona project details need to be revealed? Is it a digester or does it use enzymes, or heat or ???? Process is everything...the only one I know of which converts everything is pyrolysis.
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April 25, 2007
The future use of algae is very, VERY interesting.
And, while you appear to address the CO2 problem, where are you with regard to the phosphorous, ammonia and end waste product problems?
And, what does your (AD?) system do to result in clean air [little odor], reusable and clean water [removal of all pathogens] and clean fertilizer end product?
What else are you doing with the dairy wastes ?

Michael McCloud: who are you and what is your connection to XL Dairy; and how can you be reached?
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April 25, 2007
In our study of anaerobic digestion for dairy wastes, we found a number of fascinating new "add on" technologies and efficiencies
Some AD systems used one or two techs, some more, most hardly any. The older the system in retain sales, the less technologically advanced they appear to be.
They could be made better, but are not.
Almost no AD system uses all of the technological advances that are currently available to them, and US.
While this system most certainly does appear to be very well advanced in the conversion of corn and dairy wastes into biodiesel, they do not mention the methane that will also be produced.
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April 26, 2007
Wayne-
Yes, we will be scrubbing the biogas in order to use it in combined-cycle turbines to generate our electrical supply. We intend to initially market our CO2 for outside use but the ultimate goal is to utilize 100% of it in our proprietary algae propogation system. Our digested solids will be mixed with the ash from our solid-fuel boiler to create a marketable carbon-balanced compost that will be marketed to the deficient market in which we are located. 100% of the digested liquid will be retained on site (except evap.) and will be recycled for the dairy flush system and will ultimately support our algae system.
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April 26, 2007
Michael

A very interesting project.

I assume you are using the methane generated in the biogas to heat the digester and fuel other processes as well as to generate on site power. If so, are you scrubbing the gas to strip out the H2S and seperate the CO2. I assume so in view of your comments re marketing the CO2.

What kind/s of generators are you using? Recips or turbines?

Do you use the digested solids as bedding or in the algae process, selling it as amendments, or ?

Are using the digested liquid to support the algae production?

Thanks.
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