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November 16, 2006   |   12 Comments
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute to create renewable energy test-bed with $1.23 million funding from NYSTAR.

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"Pace is pleased to join with Rensselaer on this important initiative to define the technological, economic, and regulatory framework for supporting renewable energy and clean distributed generation as an ever- increasing part of our future energy mix."

-- Pace Law School Dean Stephen Friedman
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1 of 12
November 16, 2006
Wind, solar and fuel cells are good to examine as renewable sources but they should also consider potentially powerful wave, ocean current, possible OTEC and Geothermal sources as well since these are less intermittant in nature and would tend to lend greater stability to the system.

I think that the present argument against renewables being intermittant can be overcome with:

1. Development of energy storage devices
2. Control of energy collection and distribution in terms of shorter time interval energy blocks.
3. Development of power sources from less intermittant renewable sources as indicated above.

adrianakau@aol.com
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2 of 12
November 16, 2006
I can't figure out who to contact about this project -- its just a bunch of directors.

I'd like to suggest they look at vanadium flow batteries & V2G tech as a way to solidify the renewable intermittency.
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3 of 12
November 17, 2006
Among all renewable energy technologies, solar thermal power plants are the only option, with the exception of wind turbines, able to produce in the future bulk electricity from renewable energy resources. The most used technology for solar thermal electricity is the Parabolic Trough Design (PTD). PTD do have the highest potential for mid-term cost reduction of electricity produced and allow many intermediate steps between the integration in a conventional steam power plants up to the higher efficiency combined cycle plants. In addition to that Integrated Solar Combined Cycle power Plants (ISCCP) will allow for a flexible transition from the present plants based on fossil fuels to a future plants based to a large extend on solar energy. For the case study ( ISCPP with annual share of solar electrical power generation 42 % ) the economical effect amount 188.0 ton fuel / year for each MW design thermal energy of solar collector array .
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4 of 12
November 17, 2006
I really like Mr. Conners comment "I think all homes should produce at least 75% of their own energy. Everyone has their own bathrooms and cars (each of which cost more than a PV array), and everyone should produce their own energy - at least most of it. It should just automatically be a part of a home."

Unfortunately, those in apartments and mobile homes do not have the surface area and location to do this. But those who do should. This kind of production does have problems with variations in producivity because of weather and time of production problems.

This can be managed by the grid shifting loads and other technology. It won't be cheap, but the utilities already are acting a lot like transportation companies instead of energy creation companies, with someone else generating the energy that they move to and sell to their end users. Some move it a long way, for example from the Pacific Northwest to Los Angeles.
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5 of 12
November 17, 2006
Research is currently underway somewhere to produce high temperature super conductors I'm sure. Since our current power grid is in need of updating, it would be great to install superconductor lines if possible eventually. The wind is always blowing somewhere if the sun isn't out wether it be Alaska, California, Maine or North Dakota. Focus on power lines and the need for storage would be greatly reduced.
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6 of 12
November 17, 2006
I think anyone arguing against renewable energy at this point has been bought and sold by the traditional energy companies. Certainly all renewable sources are variable, but New York's goal is to produce 25% of their energy through renewable sources. With a good mix of renewable sources, some days it would be 15% and others it would be 40%, but I don't understand how that's a bad thing.

I think all homes should produce at least 75% of their own energy. Everyone has their own bathrooms and cars (each of which cost more than a PV array), and everyone should produce their own energy - at least most of it. It should just automatically be a part of a home.
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7 of 12
November 17, 2006
A couple of things that are confusing me.

1. Fuel cells are described in this article as "renewable" energy sources. Fuel cells are energy conversion devices not fuel sources and are no more renewable than generators powered by reciprocating engines or turbines? Most today use natural gas as fuel.
Seems to be a matter of people believing press "hype" ?

2. The article states that "renewable sources are inherently unstable because they use inverters". I beg to differ in that not all renewable sources use inverters by any means. Biomass energy does not usually use inverters.

These may appear to be "nit-picking" but I'm surprised that a prestigious institution is this confusing renewable energy with generation techology?
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8 of 12
November 17, 2006
Renewables such as geothermal are not ubiquitous and
represent outlyers in the total energy scheme. Wave energy is every bit as variable as the wind. Including it should be done for areas near the coast, but it won't add any stability to the renewable systems. The key to variable output systems is to buffer - perhaps thru batteries ( Triangle Research has some infinite lifespan cheap- apparently $100 per kilowatt hour capacity - carbon plastic batteries. Or converting renewable
electrical output to kinetic energy , such as compressed air in a sealed mine, or pumping water into the lake above a hydro plant, etc. I have no doubt that by the time the variable renewables, wave, wind, solar contribute more than the tiny amount they do now,
the issue of variability will have been solved, probably by using several different techniques, as appropriate for the area in question. Compressed air in a mine would seem to be very cheap, when available.
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9 of 12
November 17, 2006
Power sources available for development are renewable energy such as wind, solar, fuel cells and geothermal.

negrinienergy@gmail.com
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10 of 12
November 18, 2006
I stand corrected as considering fuel cells as renewable sources of energy. They certainly are not. They only convert hydrogen into electricity. I am now taking my foot out of my mouth. Thank you very much for your input, Wayne. It is not nit-picking at all but only clearly distinguishing renewable from convertable sources of energy. You are right!!!! And shame on that prestigious institute as well for having their foot in their mouth.

adrianakau@aol.com
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11 of 12
November 18, 2006
"Specifically, the researchers will examine the stability and dynamic behavior of the electricity grid, the feasibility of installing distributed energy to counter-balance natural intermittency, and grid stability and power quality."

I hope they can achieve their goals for the future benefit of New York and for the rest of the country as well. I hope that they will also take into consideration studies done in Europe for feeding electricity from renewables into the European super grid system as well as taking it out in distribution to end users. The system there will be much more complex than our system because voltage/Hz requirements for different countries are not all the same.

adrianakau@aol.com
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12 of 12
December 18, 2006
The use of small-scale generators located close to the power load being served is the way. 700kh solar electric power generation can be perfect nationwide.
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