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Million Solar Roofs Bill Signed into Law

By Jesse Broehl, Editor, RenewableEnergyAccess.com
August 23, 2006   |   22 Comments

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"Turning the vision of building a million solar roofs into state law has been a long time coming. But in the end, this law was worth the wait and the fight that it took to turn a great idea into a landmark law."

-- Bernadette Del Chiaro, Clean Energy Advocate with Environment California, the leading sponsor of the Million Solar Roofs bill
22 Reader Comments
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1 of 22
August 23, 2006
calling J Underwood --
If you are still around... take a look at these guys... they promise that the cost of the system will be paid for within 5 - 10 years. Overall lifespan returns on the system will be 8% - 15%.

http://www.solarcity.com/gosolar.aspx#financials

Matt
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2 of 22
August 23, 2006
The main problem with coal sourced, and most energy production in the world is not water use, (as others have also stated) but the massive amounts of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere. One might also add that other pollutants are just plain nasty and costly in so many ways as well.
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3 of 22
August 23, 2006
In the interest of truth I have to say; that while I can't speak to all coal fired electric power generation facilities supplying California, I do know that power supplied from Black Hills Power and Lights Neil Simpson Power Plants in Northeastern Wyoming (utilizing low sulfur coal) is air cooled. In fact most water cooled coal plants can be made to recover water and cool it (which is coals big water problem) in symbiotic greenhouse agriculture and aquaculture systems.
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4 of 22
August 23, 2006
Not only do we have solar energy where I work (72KW system), but I also have solar electricity (3.3KW system) at home. My electric bill has been zero for over two years, and that includes pumping water from a well 200 feet down. I opted to completely disconnect from the electrical grid (SCE) so I did not receive a rebate. But if I had to do it over again, I would have done it much sooner!
The trick to operating efficiently on a small system is in the conservation of energy. Energy efficient appliances, insulation, and a white elastomeric roof have reduced my energy needs so that a 3.3KW system is more than enough for me, my wife, my son, my TIVO, my computer, my coffee pot, my microwave, my shop in the garage, and my pond pump as well as the LED lights I leave on 24/7.

Congratulations to the bipartisan government of California for agreeing on this important technology for the rest of you that need monetary incentives to thumb your noses at the Middle East and Osama Bin Laden.
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5 of 22
August 23, 2006
SB1 is a big mistake! It gives the impression that California is doing something about renewable energy. As one Senator said, "at least we're making a symbolic gesture..." And that's all it is. In 10 years the amount of energy hoped to be provided by SB1 won't amount to anything - even if it gets 100% implemented. What it will do is cost the people who install it about 21 billion dollars so they can pay twice the peak rate of power off the grid, and cost the ratepayers about $300 each - for nothing. The same amount of money spent on thermal-solar troughs in the desert could provide over 8,000 megawatts, which would make a big dent in California's peak power problem. Photovoltaic solar power technology just isn't cost-effective yet!
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6 of 22
August 23, 2006
It's not about breaking even or making money...it's about renewable energy and getting your energy from the SUN and not BIG Coal. It's about each owns responsibility to not pollute the earth. Generating your own power from solar is Patriotic
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7 of 22
August 23, 2006
Great news from California. www.flannerysgreenguide.com has information on costs and paybacks for PV Solar systems and Solar Hot Water Systems in Mass.
The situation in California will be positive for Solar systems installations , I'm sure. The goverment their will make it work. This is a major moment in the fight to reduce global warming through alternative energy sources.
Thanks California and Arnold.

Best

Peter M. Flannery
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8 of 22
August 23, 2006
To Mr. Underwood and All,

Although I am suspect of the analysis of the financial viability of this system, what you may have overlooked is the energy audit required to make any system optimal. Firstly, by changing over all lightbulbs to compact fluroscents will drop your lighting usage by 33%. In the case of my apartment that represents 75% of my summer energy usage. It's a start...also optimising cooling/heating and if you have a water pump...water usage... all need to be factored into that calculation.
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9 of 22
August 23, 2006
Interesting story. Anyone know how much it costs just to install one of these systems in a typical home? I have no idea. I'm curious on both how much it is to buy the necessary equipment as well as how much the standalone install charge is.
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10 of 22
August 23, 2006
Let's see... a 73 year old guy says, "Can't we make it viable for seniors." and three people tell him, basically, "forget about your life. You're dead already. Do it for the next homeowner." Nice. How about helping to see if there are other grants, rebates, assistance, etc. for him, or others like him in the same situation?
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11 of 22
August 23, 2006
Dear J Underwood:

It may not be break even, but I would hope you install it for peace of mind and insurance against higher prices for electricity. If memory serves CA over all has a water shortage. Coal fired plants take fresh water to make power and adds pollution to the air you breath. A Solar power, Wind power, power station adds very little to the air ( The gas it took to deliver the panels or turbine, the inverters, and then the power it took to make the equipment.)

You may not be able to enjoy it but you leave a legacy for the next fellow who comes into your home and they might thank you for it.
Not everything is about pay back, some of it is because folks know it is the right thing to do.
D~W
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12 of 22
August 23, 2006
Hi J Underwood --

It may not be breakeven.. but if you install the solar array, you will be happy inside that you are getting your electricity from the sun & not from coal & gas. Therefore you would know you are not contributing to global warming nearly as much as others.

I'm curious.. how much did you calculate the entire 6kWH system to be?

Matt
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13 of 22
August 23, 2006
I live in unincorporated Orange County area served by SCE. ~ 30 years breakeven analysis done last week for a 6 KWH system showed incentives are insufficient for me (even if I do most of installation myself) as I am 73. Hopefully additional incentives will drop breakeven point for senior citizens like me below 10 years.

J
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14 of 22
August 24, 2006
I don't believe Arnold Schwarzenegger would have passed this has political pressure not made it necessary (to save his political life) and his promotion of "clean coal"--an oxymoron--and the interests of Peabody Coal in New Mexico and elsewhere are absolutely disgusting. During the 40 years of the Mojave Desert Coal-Fired Generation Plant's operation, Peabody Coal, a property of Lehman Brothers, wasted 42 quadrillion gallons of precious , pristine , sand-filtered water just slurrying crushed coal from Big Mountain to that Mojave plant, which piped all the power it generated to California. Yesterday George Bush handed Peabody Coal $19 million for its technical innovation--building the Mustang Clean Coal Plant in New Mexico.
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15 of 22
August 25, 2006
To Gene Lucas: Why is SB1 a mistake? Sure, it's expensive but so is importing oil from the Middle East- Talk about a subsidy! (military and human cost)
Yes, it's still too costly. But so are swimming pools. PV just ain't sexy, what can you say? The only pleasure you derive from Solar is watching the meter go backwards. Plasma TV's are still to pricey for me but the price will come down. So will PV. SB1 is the kick in the butt that the (US) market needs. Finally, consider the cost one more time. How many household appliances do you know of will last a minimum of 25 years, maintenance free? Not even a microwave oven will last that long!
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16 of 22
August 25, 2006
E-mail all your contacts to this site and inspire them to do the same, the more people that see this site & share it w/ others, all the better!!

Especially all our S.U.V Buds (cough,cough)
Sincerely Dave
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17 of 22
August 25, 2006
To all who love this site: The most important thing we all must do NOW is- inform- young & old - Democrat or Republican - Black or White - Hispanic or Chinese or other.... to do what ever we can to - first - slow Global warming. Then find even better solutions to the problems of the day. So our children & theirs
have the same quality of life we enjoy!
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18 of 22
August 25, 2006
Regarding J Underwood's comment,
Is everything about Return on Investment? What's the ROI on having 3 bathrooms in your house, each probably costing $10K? Or a washer/dryer? Or a swimming pool? I concede that those are about convenience or recreation. Solar is about security and our children. Personally, I don't trust my govt to regulate energy prices. They could easily go to 1000% of their current cost at any time and what could we do about it? If/when that happens, I'm glad to report that I have a 5600w solar array installed.
But what I'd really like to see is new houses just having solar built in automatically, just like a bathroom. There is cost involved (just like a bathroom), but it's where this planet needs to be.
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19 of 22
August 25, 2006
You need to look at the SCE electrical tiers 5 teirs now with all the taxes and fees .57 per kwh over 1200 kWh mth. The word from the SCE Mtn. 8% increase per quarter for the next two years to replace long term expiring fuel contracts. If you size a system properly to eliminate the upper tiers 5 yr breakeven 20 yr postive after tax flow. Thats a 15% CD for your cash. I'll take two. You guys keep talking about the birds and the bees.
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20 of 22
August 25, 2006
I may be low on this totem pole but please note that the new and improved closed loop solar HOT WATER systems offer a quicker payback and long life as well as cutting co2 production. coming in at around $5,000 with fed income tax CREDIT of 30% and supposedly a CA rebate(as yet undetermined and unfunded) this is a less costly investment that a family can feel good about reducing green house gases without a huge investment.
sincerely
roy
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21 of 22
August 25, 2006
After owning a solar system for 3 years , i can tell you 1. I pay less for my loan , then i did for my PGE bill. 2.It will pay for itself in less then 7 years, as it has been 3 years and has paid for almost half the costs already! 3. after it is paid off it will be mine , unlike paying PGE for years to rent power from them and own nothing!.
now if you want to make the biggest difference in the power crisis , they should simply not allow incandesent lights and only sell CFL's or LED lights .
I laugh at people who say they are too expensive, you can purchase a 12 pack for around 25 bucks at lowes , if you dont believe they make a difference , go ahead and keep using regular lights and i will keep laughing at you when you complin about your power bill.just like i laugh at the people who complain about gas prices and are driving 10 MPG SUV'S
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22 of 22
August 26, 2006
It seems from all of your above conversations that if someone has regular lite bulbs they should not be investing into a solar panel system anyways. Take care of the basics and then go from there. I am leaving now to go to the store to buy some of those new energy saving light bulbs. Thanks for the kick of encouragement. Solar panels are not an option in Seattle so reduction of usage may be the only possible alternative.
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