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Bush Delivers Mixed Message of Support for Ethanol

By Jesse Broehl, Editor, RenewableEnergyAccess.com
April 26, 2006   |   14 Comments

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In effect, the President delivered a speech to an ethanol industry audience calling for a halt to the very same ethanol policies that have been almost singularly responsible for rapid growth in the industry over the past couple years.
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1 of 14
April 27, 2006
I agree with Akau to some degree. There is a whole line of crops at our grocery stores that have been overly farmed to the point where the nutrient value of the product sold is about tasteless. Most of the folks can not tell the difference between an organically grown carrot and a over farmed carrot place but i can.
I suggest bio fuel style crop rotation. Sugar cane one year switch grass another, corn another.
Animal waste is overflowing various places it too can make methane gas to power vehicles and such.

Bio, Wind, Solar, lightning, Nuclear, and hydro will all fail quickly if every one starts to farm the power from these.
we Must find a way to combine our existing technology into something new and make a new powersource.
That is my thoughts on the matter.
I would also like to hear what the intellectuals have to say about the matter.
D~W
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2 of 14
April 27, 2006
I cannot endorse ethanol development. First, it places a drain on our land by depleting our soil. I lived on a sugar plantation (founded in 1881) from 1966 until it closed in 1997. No matter what fertilizers were added, some of the fields became depleted of essential minerals. Remember, it takes only one crop of cucumbers to cause soil depletion for the next cucumber planting but sugar cane will also do the job over time. No crop rotation or allowing the soil to rest was practiced.

Why should we deplete our soil to run our cars? Our poor soils are already producing vitamin and mineral deficient vegetables and the lack of nutrition only gives degenerative diseases the go-ahead. What is more important, our health or our car?

I must stress that the real emphasis should be on developing renewable energy to charge battery powered vehicles.

adrianakau@aol.com
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3 of 14
April 28, 2006
David Morris of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance had this to say...

"It WAS odd for Bush to have said what he said before such an audience, but it was, on the one hand, reasonable for him to bring it up and on the other hand, meaningless. The EPA has no power to waive fuel requirements except in an emergency(they did so after Hurricane Katrina). There is no evidence of an emergency here(i.e. a shortage of oxygenates) so the executive branch has no authority over this. Congress could change the law, and in fact, did so last summer when it dropped the oxygenate requirement. States can now use non oxygenated fuels, but those fuels must meet air quality specifications and there is no fuel on the market as of yet that does so. - david"

David Morris
Institute for Local Self-Reliance
612 379 3815 ext. 208
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4 of 14
April 28, 2006
Sure I love those ideas too. If they were here today and available, I would support them wholeheartedly! But they are not here in sufficient mass to make a difference... What we are talking about is Ethanol as a partial short term solution (combined with conservation) until those are developed, and to allieviate the impending economic crisis that will come when the Middle East erupts into even more turmoil than it is now (or they admit to running out of oil, and prices skyrocket)... As Forrest Gump said... "that is all I have to say about that."
Andrew Zacharias
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5 of 14
April 29, 2006
I'm a big-time Bush supporter on a personal level. The non-profit energy organization I run is non-partisan, and our conclusion has been for some time that the nation's ethanol energy "solution" is foolish. Ethanol is pretty much an energy dead end. Good for massive agribusinesses and oil companies, bad for the country. Our best bet is to use forest thining and perhaps MSW for carbon monoxide production, combined with renewable electricity for hydrogen production and then create methanol from these reactants. This solution is sustainable, domestic, involves lower and fewer emissions than ethanol, and it's doable right now. Methanol is the way to go.

Nick Tastad
2020 Institute
www.2020institute.org
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6 of 14
April 30, 2006
Shrug. We already have the answers, just no one wants to apply them. What Congressman is going to stand up and say, lets slap a dollar a gallon tax on gas, which means people will cut down on discretionary driving..or..gasp, drive SMARTER. Take the moneys raised and fund alternative energy. Wind, solar, wtf cares? Fund it all. Sooner done, sooner saved. As for soil depletion, true custodians rotate crops. They still pay people NOT to grow crops here. Eliminate that, and you'll see more fields in use. As for the other arguements, I'd rather see US corn used for fuel than pay some Sheik so he can have another gold toilet installed, thanks. Around here, cattle poo is yers for the taking, they're glad if you haul it off. I'm not saying some aren't wasteful. Some are lazy, and just plain foolish..oh, wait, I meant farmers, not just drivers :P Stupid farmers don't stay in business, the odds are against them.
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7 of 14
April 30, 2006
Brazil is using ethanol extensively, at least until they run out of rain forests to use. For the U.S. ethanol probably has a practical use, but is probably not THE answer. Used in conjunction with other technologies it can help with our problem. However, in the long run, don't we need to get away from hydro-carbon emitting engines? The plug in hybrid, with a small ethanol/gas engine as a backup may be the way to go for the next few decades. Let's hope the Japanese market it, because it is unlikely that any large American corporations will.
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8 of 14
April 30, 2006
Corn ethanol is a dead end. However, most of the emphasis is currently on cellulosic ethanol, which has a vastly greater energy balance, especially if made from low-maintenance perennial plants like switchgrass, which does not deplete the fertitility of the soil. The singular advantage that ethanol has over any other potential fuel source (including methanol) is that it requires minimal changes in consumer behaviour, vehicle design or fuelling infrastructure. Therefore, it can start displacing gasoline immediately. A combination of cellulosic ethanol and plug-in hybrids could potentially eliminate America's reliance on gasoline within a couple of decades.
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9 of 14
May 1, 2006
A POX on Our? 'of the People, by the people,
for the people' system as practiced within
the 'beltway' !
When asked why the 'Agriculturally rich South'
did so poorly during Our Civil War, the Professor
replied: "Have you ever 'eaten' a 'Cotton Sandwich'?"
Nero fiddled while Rome burned!
The/We citizens are the 'Fiddlers', re-electing
the same pigs to 'return to the trough', decade
after decade, as those (long-tenured) representatives, disguised as regulations, provide us an inexhaustable abundance of 'tar and Fly Paper'!
Voting pay increases for themselves (no Citizen
debate), allows them funds sufficient for
'cultivating/courting the more favourable lobbyists'.
Compelling members of House/Senate to attend
Ethics classes? . . .
A 'Manhatten Project' for renewable energy will
occur when all the 'favoured-chairs' are filled!

A POX on Our? 'of the People, by the people,
for the people' system as practiced within
the 'beltway' !
We citizens are the 'Fiddlers' . . .

Roy Stewart,
Phoenix AZ
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10 of 14
May 3, 2006
Ethanol is the future of cars and airplanes
fuel. Ethanol eliminate America's reliance on gasoline.
Giulio Negrini
www.giulionegrinifinancialadvisor.us
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11 of 14
May 24, 2006
Alternative energy proponents need to wean
themselves from government handouts and demand that the technologies prove themselves
in the economic free market. Everyone must surely have noticed that the only reason some
alternative energy sources have made
progress lately is because the cost of energy has gone way up, and , much more importantly, these technologies have proven their worth,
especially wind energy.
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12 of 14
May 24, 2006
It's been obvious to anyone who has been paying attention that the bottleneck of the refineries since two months ago was due to 1) the changeover that Congress unwisely required be completed by this date and 2) a lot of maintenence because the refineries have been running flat out since they came back on line after Katrina. Increased demand in the face of higher prices didn't help either.. The changeover and maintenence is just about completely behind us, so the supply shortage will ease. But meanwhile global fears have driven up oil to over $70 ( the price of oil accounts for about 65% of the cost of gasoline).
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13 of 14
June 27, 2006
Ethonal is good as far as it goes. But, have you considered that it is basically just alcohol? Therefore, it will reduce your car's miles per gallon. This is not even considering what it will do to marine gas tanks. Many marine tanks are either fiberglass (of the pre 1988 type) or aluminum. Both of these types of tanks are vulnerable to deterioration from alcohol. The result will be leaks and the probable hazards of explosion and/or fires. This could happen as quickly as just one tank of ethanol laced gas. What are the reprecussions for car gas tanks?
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14 of 14
June 30, 2006
"The singular advantage that ethanol has over any other potential fuel source (including methanol) is that it requires minimal changes in consumer behaviour, vehicle design or fuelling infrastructure. Therefore, it can start displacing gasoline immediately."
Ethanol sucks as a gasoline substitute. It's
gas mileage is poor and it DOES require large
changes - namely cars must be modifed to be able to tolerate the very corrosive effects the fuel has on fuel lines and gasket and, very importantly, it cannot be transported by existing pipelines because is is so sensitive
to water. That also means that current gasoline storage tanks as stations cannot be used. Butanol solves all those problems and
is much preferred, especially since existing ethanol production plants can easily be switched over to produce butanol instead.
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