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Researchers Attempt to Close Debate on Ethanol Energy Balance

January 31, 2006   |   18 Comments

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"Converting to fuel ethanol will not require a big change in the economy. We are already ethanol-ready. If ethanol were available on the supply side, the demand is there."

-- Dan Kammen, Energy and Resources Group at UC Berkeley
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1 of 18
January 31, 2006
Niggle here: "Cellulosic technology refers to the use of bacteria to convert...". I thought that the cellulosic material was directly converted by enzymes, not bacteria. Now, maybe the bacteria generated the enzymes in the first place.

A much needed study. I hope the press will ready it instead of blindly quoting bad studies in the interests of "giving both sides" of the debate some time.
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2 of 18
January 31, 2006
All the stress on ethanol's purpose and R&D seems to be on maintaining the transportation status quo. But what about securing our food and shelter, which are increasingly in jeopardy? Ethanol can provide convenient domestic cooking fuel. It can be produced independently, locally, sustainably and on-site from unpopular garden crops like beets, with zero-cultivation energy input, unlike commercial ethanol crops like corn, and with minimal distillation energy. We can secure our shelter with locally produced, low-energy input cooking fuel in the form of ethanol, and with the proven independent, green and sustainable energy of PV, wind, earth sheltering, solar thermal, and solar passive design. And with the home garden and local, self-sufficient organic farms we can secure our food with minimal external energy input. This will free at least 20% of our national energy for use in streamlined, personal and mass transportation in a simplified infratstructure powerable by renewables.
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3 of 18
January 31, 2006
Tom Street,

GM is *not* "touting its flex fuel initiatives as if this will solve our dependency on foreign oil"

GM is simply producing one of many viable alternatives to importing foreign oil which you should be happy about, not ripping on them like they are committing a crime.

What, do you have something against American farmers producing our fuel instead of importing it?
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4 of 18
January 31, 2006
If ethanol were purely a substitute for our current oil consumption, I would say that it is a marginally useful source of fuel. Without clearly mandated goals for fuel reduction, howerver, I fear that it will be merely an addition to rather than an alternative to our current consumption of oil.

GM is touting its flex fuel initiatives as if this will solve our dependency on foreign oil. And yet they continue to tout their behomothic trucks and SUVs and more and more horsepower. The fact is that it still requires a lot of oil to produce ethanol regardless of what study one believes. Ethanol will not make us independent. At best, it will just slightly reduce on dependence and have a negligible effect on greenhouse emissions.

And, as the author says, the land use issue still needs to be addressed.
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5 of 18
January 31, 2006
And yet another pile of current research completely debunking professor David Pimentel's ever wacky assertions claiming it takes more energy to produce ethanol than ethanol produces, yet, for some reason I bet he keeps claiming otherwise no matter how much of a disservice he does to himself along the way.
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6 of 18
February 1, 2006
The United States currently has about 73 million acres in corn producing almost ten billion bushels of the world's total annual 23 billion bushel crop.

About 12% of the U.S. corn crop ends up in foods that are either consumed directly (e.g. corn chips) or indirectly (e.g. high fructose corn syrup).

About 80% of all corn grown in the U.S. is consumed by domestic and overseas livestock, poultry, and fish production.

Now since ethanol production only uses the starch in corn and the byproduct being DDGS (a highly nutritious animal feed), we have lots of room for making lots of fuel before the animals consume it (214 gallon yield per acre average).

Also, some facilities are now making biodiesel after the ethanol is produced.

This is only corn; ethanol can be made out of many other current crops so the point regarding land use is limited at best
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7 of 18
February 1, 2006
While the President said producing ethanol from corn uses much less petroleum than producing gasoline he did not present any data to support it and a search of the DOE website draws a blank. The President also talked of imports from unstable areas when the rankings for 2005 are 1)Canada, 2)Mexico, 3)Saudi Arabia, 4)Nigeria and 5)Venezuela. Both Saudi Arabia and Venezuela have joint ventures in the USA (also Venezuela owns Citgo) with crude supply commitments of 600,000 to 1,000,000 BBLs/day
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8 of 18
February 1, 2006
Something not generally considered in the arguments on this and other fuel production/reprocessing technologies is the prospect of other renewable energy input into processes. For example, use of solar concentrators to maintain reaction temperatures. Since the process can be scheduled to coincide with the output from a renewable energy source, you essentially solve the problem of both load balancing and electric-to-fuel conversion for this power application.
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9 of 18
February 1, 2006
One thing to keep in mind is the wide availabilithy of feedstocks for cellulosic ethanol. Farm waste is a huge untapped source.

Also, switchgrass I believe is not expected to displace food crops, since i grows fine on marginal lands.
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10 of 18
February 1, 2006
Re: the President's speech last night.
Producing ethanol from corn uses much less petroleum than producing gasoline, this will solve our dependency on foreign oil.
Giulio Negrini
www.gnpimb.com
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11 of 18
February 1, 2006
The support of ethanol by the UC Berkeley study was underwhelming at best
"Despite the uncertainty, it appears that ethanol made from corn is a little better -- maybe 10 or 15 percent -- than gasoline in terms of greenhouse gas production, he said.

"The people who are saying ethanol is bad are just plain wrong," said Kammen. "But it isn't a huge victory -- you wouldn't go out and rebuild our economy around corn-based ethanol."
Perhaps they had a copy of a fellow UC Berkley scientist, Tad W Patzek's, detailed study which can be downloaded from the web.
"Thermodynamics of the Corn-Ethanol Biofuel Cycle" by Tad W. Patzek - January, 2005

Tad Patzek, of the University of California - Berkeley, authors the definitive analysis of ethanol production. He is quite critical the 2002 USDA study, "The Energy Balance of Corn Ethanol: An Update" by Shapouri, Duffield, and Wang.
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12 of 18
February 1, 2006
A large increase in corn production for ethonal use, say 1000 fold, would require a similar large amount of land, 1000 fold increasee to grow the corn. This would make the already tight market for land even tighter and drive up prices for land and the cost of land as a factor of all other costs for agriculture, housing, and other uses. This does not appear to have been taken into account in the analysis. Also there is a difference in a net energy calculation as opposed to analyzing the effects only with regards to the amount of oil required.
Its not clear that this study uses the appropriate assumptions in this regard.
The study is useful, but the question of the appropriate assumptions does not appear to be resolved at this point.
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13 of 18
February 1, 2006
Cellulosic ethanol from the biodegradable component of garbage was demonstrated by the TVA over 20 years ago. The business model of Masada OxyNol for their permitted commercial scale plant in Middletown NY (not yet built) takes advantage of the $50 to $90 per ton tipping fee that municipalities are willing to pay, plus the value of recyclables to be sorted from the waste stream prior to conversion to ethanol. The recent death of billionaire Daryl Harms who pushed this has slowed momentum, but there is much interest in this waste conversion technology, further supported by a detailed environmental life cycle analysis done for California last May.
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14 of 18
February 1, 2006
Fellas, your missing what is most likely to be the first raw material for cellulosic ethanol production in your discussion: landfill waste.
I've got my fingers crossed on a couple of companies that are looking to site in East TN that will make that a major input to their facilities. One of the manufacturers is BRI Energy (www.BRIenergy.com). Its these such examples, and currently ongoing activities like making biodiesel out of turkey offal, that offer the opportunity to help turn previous wastes into fuels that can significantly help bolster the corn and soybeans to gas and diesel effort.
But none of this stuff will do it alone... it will take improvements in vehicle fuel efficiency which cleverly didn't get discussed in the President's speech last night. I can't for the life of me figure out why he left that out when it's what can do the most damage to our oil "addiction"...
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15 of 18
February 1, 2006
Farming, and thus alcohol production, is a significant contributor to air and water pollution in the form of greenhouse gas, nitrogen and phosphorous from fertilizers, growth hormones, pesticides, herbicides, and silt runoff. Organic farming has far less environmental impact, but some. For these reasons, alchohol is not a good energy carrier candidate, in my opinion.
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16 of 18
February 1, 2006
a very useful article putting the various derivations of bioethanol in perspective.
Possibly the best raw material for cellulosic ethanol is Miscanthus, data available.
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17 of 18
February 1, 2006
I believe that ethanol wich is made from grain and corn is not the best answer. Unless it deals with inetable foods and even some times your talking about something that can be made into fertilizer.
Methanol or wood alcohol is a much better idea. But it still is not helping the environment. But can cut back on the demand for oil. It is still not the solution.
What we need is more in the demand of hydrogen and Alternate Energy Corporation (AEC) www.cleanwatts.com has some what an answer.
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18 of 18
February 2, 2006
Now a lot of people are talking about producing ethanol from corn. There is also talk of biodiesel that is also grown from corn and soybean. It also takes about one third of content of ethanol with soybean oil to produce biodiesel. So how much land is left over for flour and grains.
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