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Solar Reaction Mixed to Union Stance

By Jesse Broehl, Editor, RenewableEnergyAccess.com
October 14, 2005   |   13 Comments
IBEW Speech Calling for Mutual Progress Draws Mixed Reaction from Solar Industry

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"We should always try to work together but up until now it has not been very productive."

- Tom Dyer, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for Kyocera Solar
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1 of 13
October 14, 2005
As a 40 year member and master union electrician I'd first say that 20 years ago we in the electrical industry were hoping and praying just like all of you, for the breakthroughs needed to make solar more cost competitive. (why do you think i'm reading this article)
For solar to begin to supplant the coal and nuclear power plants it is going to need to be built to the same standards of safety and durability as any other power plant.
Much of what I do for a living is more mechanical than electrical, but in a commerical/industrial building it's every bit as technical. It's also construction work which means it's quite physical and dangerous.
The Republicans abandoned the legislation for the same reason that Enron ripped you off so bad. GREED!!
Athough I'm very near retirement I've taken our UNION sponsored solar training because I'm still hoping and praying for solar to help save our planet.
Mike Bullock
mbullock12@charter.net
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2 of 13
October 15, 2005
As a citizen I applaud the concept of "prevailing wage". Unfortunately, prevailing wage is not prevailing wage, it is union wage. It is, in fact, nearly 100% higher than actual prevailing wages for our area and can add as much as 10% to the cost of commercial solar system. It creates a morale problem with employees that make twice as much on one project as on another and builds costs into operations that have to be passed on to residential projects as well.

Commercial solar systems are not a slam-dunk sale. The prevailing wage requirement is going to prevent some sales and reduce the already thin margins on others. Commercial projects take time to come together. Over the last year solar panels have increased in cost over 30% in the time a typical commercial system takes to go from bid to completion. Increasing the costs further by requiring us to pay union wages is going to kill projects or put the companies installing them in financial jeopardy. Now is not the time.
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3 of 13
October 16, 2005
I certainly have no problem with a union electrician making final inverter connections to combiners or switch gear but for simple MC connectors or assembling the racks and panels it becomes just plain stupid and a major waste of money. Just one more reason unions have been constantly losing members.
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4 of 13
October 17, 2005
The simple fact is that the installation of a photovoltaic system is electrical work and should require licensure. Most of the New England states by Law require that all photovoltaic systems be installed by a licensed electrician. In both New Hampshire and Massachusetts the licensing Board responsible for the electrical licensure had stated this requirement in writing. The installation of Photovoltaics by non-licensed installers in most New England states is a misdemeanor and quite possibly a Felony - check your state statutes or simply call your local Electrical licensure board or local electrical inspector.
The Solar manufacturing and distribution industries should be aware that for every union electrician there is no less than twenty open shop electricians who can service the industry professionally, legally and with a sustainable business plan that does not rely on incentives and grants.
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5 of 13
October 18, 2005
I find it almost amusing - if it weren't tragic - that the union workers' leaders are just now trying to pig-pile on the solar industry, looking for the dollars to be gained. Where were they when the industry needed boosting? I am heartened, though, by Mike Bullock's attitude - wanting to use IBEW knowledge to help 'save the planet'. How about a compromise here? Plenty of work for back-end tie-ins, interconnects, and advanced inverter configurations is available and does require licensed electricians. And, they could inspect the mechanical installations for the projects, using professional and manufacturer guidelines. This could work for all involved.
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6 of 13
October 18, 2005
While we all can respect what unions have achieved for workers, that is not what this is all about. The solar industry has done very nicely without their 'help' to date. While PV is electrical in it's nature, it is not understood by most electricians. It's only the last short leg of connection to the service panel that conforms to what electricians are familiar with. These systems must be installed according to rigorous standards and instuctions, and are inspected by many prior to 'turn on'. What's next? Your car's electric system is to be repaired by electrical union workers? (Its also DC, like solar.) This is only a money grab by the unions. The solar industry is doing very well without their help, Thank You.
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7 of 13
October 19, 2005
PV is perceived as a fairly new industry,although about 20 years ago I went to an IBEW class about this exciting new technology. The IBEW has been involved for a long time because of the forward looking leadership of the IBEW. My local has one of the largest PV arrays in Ca. on its training center and is currently installing PV on the roof of our local union office. The IBEW represents electricians and we believe this is electrical work. It is really unfortunate what happened to SB1, but it is an even bigger shame that the IBEW has been blamed for what happened. The utility companies cut the net metering cap in half and nobody blamed them for the failure of SB1. Everyone decries prevailing wages but basically they provide for training and a decent standard of living for the people doing the work; this is a great way to insure a trained and productive work force into the future. We need safe and productive installations to insure demand for PV systems into the future.
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8 of 13
October 19, 2005
We've come a LONG way since pro-environment was purposely conflated with anti-jobs. No reason to go back. We can solve this. The Henry Ford remark was double edged; on the positive side, imagine an electrical workers union vigorously promoting pv.

The real opposition now as then comes from the pro-petroleum, pro-centralization, pro-status quo crowd. This time if we tree huggers had the unions on our side, we couldnt be marginalized quite so easily.

By the same token, the unions arent exactly in a position to do without new allies.
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9 of 13
October 19, 2005
I'm afraid that Mr. Day doesn't see the light of "day". Excuse me I couldn't resist.

The IBEW, in my area, has the only real solar training program in the industry. It has had a solar training program for almost 10 years.

The only "pig-pile" is the pig pile that the solar industry and some installing contractors are trying to do on the real wages that will help to make this industry grow. How do we attract young people to spend their life in an industry that pays them low wages and no benefits?
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10 of 13
October 20, 2005
I had my solar panels installed on my home. I don't know if they were IBEW certified or not, but they were the largest residential installers in SoCal and had been doing it for over a decade and have a great safety record.

Passage of SB1 would have brought even more business to this company.

How does SB1's failure help the IBEW recommended prevailing wage if there are no jobs for this wage?

Why does solar need IBEW for it to survive, when it was doing fine with bipartisan support?

Would have SB1's existence have hurt IBEW?
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11 of 13
October 20, 2005
The IBEW is the key for PV success in this country. The PV manufacturers, all of them are greedy by shipping product to Germany and Japan, where the higher $ is located. To fix this problem, the IBEW should manufacture the PV product here, which will reduce margin and directly feed its vast member base. It's as simple as that!
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12 of 13
October 21, 2005
It's interesting to note that while the IBEW and California Building Trades have been maligned as 'special interests' by Schwarzenegger and others, it was in fact the Republican legislators' opposition to the prevailing wage provision that doomed SB1.

These Republicans are the same folks who want to keep the minimum wage below poverty level and make sure that Corporate America controls California. Workers deserve to be well-paid and need a living wage to be able to afford to live in California. Obviously, their earnings will be put back into the state economy through purchases and taxes.

It's encouraging that there is an effort to bring unions and pro-renewable energy people together and some reasonable discussion. But it's worth noting that environmentalists have more in common with union workers than they do with the big business, anti-environment Republicans.

Does the proposal now before the CPUC include a union wage component?
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13 of 13
November 2, 2005
Without reading, No, solar should not require "a strong labor component" Why? that would be an hinderance to the progress that is urgently nedded to REDUCE prices of renewables, not raise them. the market should determine and if I want to help install 20,000 dishes for SCE by SES, then I should decide for myself if I want to At their wage!
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