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CA's Solar Roofs Bill Threatened by Special Interests

By Barry Cinnamon, President--Akeena Solar
September 1, 2005   |   22 Comments
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"Akeena Solar calculates that the bill would provide more than $6 billion in benefits to the state's power grid, environment and economy, even after accounting for the cost of incentives."

--Barry Cinnamon, Akeena Solar president
22 Reader Comments
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1 of 22
September 1, 2005
We are a bizzaro state, I agree. The biggest disappointment is the discovering that the Dems are sooo motivated by money and special interests... yes, naive on my part to think otherwise. 'Politics' will kill this bill. When you find the center, let me know!
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2 of 22
September 1, 2005
California really is bizarro land (no offense to all of the Californians who frequent the site). Who would have thought that this bill would have been torpedoed by the dems. It's often very hard to find a party worth voting for these days. The dems have no spine and the republicans have grown a rather nasty one. What ever happened to the center? Perhaps, assuming that the bill dies one way or the other, next year will bear fruit.
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3 of 22
September 1, 2005
Barry, you make a couple of serious errors in your analysis: 1) the bill, as amended, would only require prevailing wages on commercial installations - not "all" installations as you state; 2) the bill, as amended, would grandfather in existing licensed contractors and would not, as you state, require a C 46 for all installations.

Finally, I'm not convinced the prevailing wage addition makes it a bad bill b/c it does only apply to commercial roofs, which are already the most cost-effective given state and federal tax benefits. With the new 30% federal tax credit, I suspect the prevailing wage requirement may be a wash for commercial entities.

I would prefer to have no prevailing wage requirement for the time being on any solar installations, but I don't think this is a catastrophic change.
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4 of 22
September 1, 2005
Its such a shame that people not even involved in solar installations now want to get in on a 'cash cow' as they see it. Solar installers have been out there, doing the work, in the trenches, building out systems with limited profits because they believe in what they are doing. Unions seem to only believe in making money. As a person who normally supports unions I'm appalled at the lack of foresight by these groups - out to make money with no concern for the effect of their actions on the 'common good'. Just shows how our democrats in Sacto are in the pockets of the unions- more concerned about pleasing them then doing the RIGHT THING. If this kills the bill, as I suspect it will, the backlash needs to rightfully go to the unions. They need to do the right thing and back off their requirements.
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5 of 22
September 2, 2005
I'm a registered Democrat but it looks like I'm going to have to start supporting the Republicans. This is the most obnoxious, short sighted demonstration of union arrogance that I've ever seen. I've already made my opinion noted with my local assemblyman, senator and the speaker. I strongly encourage others to do the same.
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6 of 22
September 2, 2005
I've worked in renewable energy for 25 years, with a goal of helping to build a sustainable society. But besides renewable energy sources, this society must include decent income for everyone. Over the last 25 years I've seen the disparity of wealth grow substantially, caused largely by the destruction of labor unions. My vision of the future does not include a small number living in their gated and guarded enclaves with quiet clean solar energy, while most of us live in ghettoes with Honda generators.
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7 of 22
September 2, 2005
To those who think prevailing wage would only hurt residential I say your way off base. Presently we are completing a 400 kw system in the SF Bay area. I can say without any doubt that prevailing wage would have killed this project. Add in additional cost of panels,customers such as ours who cannot effectively use a 30% tax credit and the already outrageous local labor costs and you could just kill the business goodbye. As to hiring only licenced electricians even to connect MC connectors? God help us all. We can only feel lucky that we have our own in house guys who know DC wiring and do good work.
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8 of 22
September 2, 2005
I sell and install marine electrical systems in CT. The few times that I have sold a system to a licensed electrician, I have been shocked as to how very little they understand about DC wiring. They try to install these systems themselves and are eventually successful after numerous phone calls to me for tech support. Without my support, the systems would have been installed with undersized wiring, no fusing, batteries in series rather paralled (or visa versa). It is mind boggling to me how they just don't get DC wiring. I know they are capable of learning it but why have expensive learning curves and training when we already have expert solar installers ready to go. I hope common sense prevails.
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9 of 22
September 2, 2005
I am a solar contractor, and I hope this bill passes. Going solar on a commercial building is a no-brainer in CA, and I can't imagine why it will hurt the industry to pay the workers a decent wage, especially considering the new 30% federal tax credit. I support SB-1, and I hope that the bill does survive, even with the prevailing wage requirement. Of course, a prevailing wage requirement on residential solar would be catastrophic, but that does not apply to SB-1.
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10 of 22
September 2, 2005
Well I've been a Dem all my life because I know what the other side is all about. Just look at the country today. WAnt more of the same? BUT.....I'm also dissatisfied with my party. All the can do is whine and cry and follow the whims of special interest just like the other side. I for one will not vote either of the two parties again unless I hear some very good and real solutions to this countries problems. I'm not too confident I'll hear it from the two majors for a long time...
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11 of 22
September 2, 2005
Kathleen, it's not a suprise. The dems have always been that way. It's more in vogue to dog on the republicans (and often, justifiably so) these days. I'm surprised that the dems would want to expose themselves to the heat that they might very well catch for this move. Considering the support that seemed to have crossed party lines (with the politicos and the people) it seems that it will be very easy to spin this in a negative way. That way be a good thing as I'm sure that Arnold and Co. will introduce the legislation again next year. It's too bad that this process has to have so many bloody iterations.

Cheers, Tripp
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12 of 22
September 3, 2005
As a lic. contractor that designs and installs solar power systems, I also have to agree with Akeena solar. This bill if you actually read it is not conducive to the solar industry at all. We need a bill that is right the first time. Not something you have to fix as you go along. Politics will be the end of this great endeavor by Arny
Anyway we can't rely on any of this, keep your head to the grindstone and keep selling solar, as we have a program that after six years is working smoothly.

Aram
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13 of 22
September 6, 2005
The "Just Transition to Protect Jobs and the Environment" concept supports small business, non-union and union workers. It ends "Jobs versus Environment" conflict. Learn more about it at:
http://lpa.igc.org/documents/program.html#Build%20A%20Just%20Transition
Green Growth: Agenda for a Just Transition to a Sustainable Economy
http://www.ourfuture.org/projects/next_agenda/ch9.cfm
Green Collar Workers
http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/200307/labor.asp
Just Transitions
http://www.conservationeconomy.net/content.cfm?PatternID=15

The policy simply says that those who have benefitted the most from peak oil and a fossil fuel/nuclear economy now need to ante up and smoothly transition us to an ecological economy--without pitting small businesses against union and non-union workers. We all need to talk to eachother to make this happen. There is constructive discussion on Bobby Kennedy's Ring of Fire Radio about these issues,
http://www.RingofFireRadio.com/default1.asp
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14 of 22
September 6, 2005
Mark, don't join the republicans, look for independants! Look at the big energy bill and then tell me you still want to join them.
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15 of 22
September 7, 2005
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I don't think that they need to hire certified electritions to do a solar specialists job, but it grandfathers in current solar specialists, so it isn't screwing anyone too badly, and other than that the bill is a solid victory for renewable energy.
Next time you think about swiching to the party that only cares about renewables because they bring gass prices down because they are giving a few extra millions to solar electritions, think about how much solar we could have bought with that 2.6 trillion and counting that we spent in Iraq.
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16 of 22
September 7, 2005
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You guys are supposed to be enthusiasts for renewable energy and you're willing to become a republican because of one little article that says that we are going to have to pay a little extra to some government workers. What did you expect! Look at yourselves, you sound like a bunch of conservative hicks who don't want the government to ever do anything if it means they have to tax you.
Besides, if they didn't pay decent wages, than you know that they would hire those same idiot stoner roadworker type who fixed the same pothole in front of your house 5 times and it's sitll there, bigger than ever.
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17 of 22
September 7, 2005
I think that the article totally blows the problem way out of praportion. Tamalyn Hunt's comment pretty much totally proves the entire point of the article wrong. The only good point the article brings up about the bill is the fact that it will increas the amount of training necessary to enstal solar for the state. Who cares about the "$755 million over the course of the program." If you think about it, that's not all that much considering the money is going to people who are installing 3 terawats worth of PV that would give $6 billion to the state.
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18 of 22
September 7, 2005
A message to all of you licenced proffesional solar power installers in CA. Thatcher killed off Unions after they held the country to ransom which resulted in a 3 day working week. The coal miners strike opened upthe North Sea to find Gas.
Today, the fruits of the North Sea gas boom is drawing to a close as we import gas fromMalaysia
Here in the UK, the solar industry, mainly solar thermal is growing at 30% a year while the solar PV industry after a termination of a 50% grants offered until 2012 is in decline.

As one of the top 10 system designers in renewable energy where solar thermal coupled to an air source heat pump can provide heating and hot water in a climate with no CA sunshine.

Not being a PV person, win sales from solar thermal
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19 of 22
September 8, 2005
Thankyou Nate Bourell and Eric Hawkins for your wise and humorous statements. A country that spends $1 billion/day for the military can definitely prevent planes from hitting its buildings by using the next 100 years of oil to massively invest in non-fossil/non-nuclear energy independence. That's a way of life that nobody would get mad at. Freedom and French Fries for All. http://www.MeetWithTheMothers.org
--Larry Wartel
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20 of 22
September 8, 2005
It is important for all of you to take note that despite all of the political bickering going on between you all, there are many college students watching this bill as well as monitoring the unions actions.
As I mentioned in my note from the previous article, it would be in the unions best interest to not piss me off as well as the rest of generation Y. I can assure you that many of the next generation of solar enthusiats such as myself, many of which will work in the PV industry as well as have PV systems of our own, will personally hold a grudge against unions so severely that they will by far lose more money in the long run if they continue this dissapointing behavior. This is not a negotiation! This is a warning to the unions in its simplest form.

Senior Mechanical Engineering Student
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21 of 22
September 9, 2005
We need more promotional and proof of how the solar industry has become so much better. We need to see it running computers and homes. Proof is in the pudding. We need to see the horrors of Nukes again. They said on TV yesterday that the nuclear was overexaggerated. OH of corse, from complete oblitteration with no food and water to radio active muddy rain that cant be drank to somethin was exaggerated. What could be worst than a 100 miles radius nuclear explosion? I know that people are getting funding for Katrina and that is good, but I think they should really be thinking ahead to avoiding a nuclear explosion and get donations for Solar so we can all save energy and enjoy good clean environment. Kosher is Kosher and Bad is not Kosher and that means something along with Hell.
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22 of 22
September 22, 2005
-- Corby Ferguson:

I agree compleatly about how it's up to us. We can't wait forever for the government to offer insentives, the only way to lead the people of America is by example. The media isn't giving us enough coverage for big changes in people's mindsets to occur, so we jsut need to do it ourselves. Renewable energys can not only be environmental, but profitable, and if America doesn't want to share in the profits, than we will just have look for investers elsewhere.
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