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Will the Real Hybrid Please Drive Up

April 19, 2005   |   29 Comments

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"With gas over $2.00 per gallon, and the United States spending more than $300,000 every minute on foreign oil, the promise of hybrid vehicles has never been more important."

- David Friedman, Research Director of UCS Clean Vehicles Program
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1 of 29
April 19, 2005
Just some quick back-at-ya from a Honda Civic Hybrid owner... when I bought mine in Feb 2003, the sticker price was the same for the Civic standard as for the Civic Hybrid. Who is complaining about the big $ outlay for the better car, the Hybrid? It just isn't so.

Redding, CA
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2 of 29
April 19, 2005
I'm so relieved the hollow hybrids are being exposed, GM wants to appear green without the effort or results. They think their hydrogen fuel cell will appeal to environmentally progressive consumers too. They clearly don't understand the big picture thinking and broad intelligence of this segment. Way to go UCS, keep letting them know!
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3 of 29
April 19, 2005
For years hybrids were described as a small engine driving a generator, not the wheels directly. I would have thought we'd have all been driving nothing else by now. None of the current crop is a true, dedicated hybrid, but merely "toes dipped into the water" - feeble attempts. What is the big problem? People should be building hybrids in their garages. Railroad locomotives are hybrids. Either jump, or don't jump, but definitely don't jump halfway so you have the worst of both worlds, and all the problems of 2 systems merged. Just make a freakin hybrid and quit calling these regular cars that feature a watered-down "tip-of-the-hat" to hybrid technology, hybrids. They all give the concept a bad name. The high sticker price churns the economy for more fuel than is saved on the road - using more fuel, not less.
Doug Selsam
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4 of 29
April 19, 2005
You know except for the computer hardware and software ,both the Escape and the Prius use drive train technology that was developed by TRW back in the 70's. AINT nothin new under the sun.
And just how would you suggest controlling NOx in your air cooled diesel?
It would truly be revolutionary if GM simply made a decent vehicle that did not look like it was built out of legos like their Avalanche.
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5 of 29
April 19, 2005
Ford's Hybrid is rebranded Toyota technology. Buy Toyota.
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6 of 29
April 19, 2005
This is what he should be building right now. If we could find someone in our auto industry with just a tiny bit of imagination, who knows what we could do? Like to produce a vehicle that can burn rubber on takeoff on all four wheels and get 90+ mpg? What I would like to see the automakers working on would have: A turbocharged, two cylinder opposed, 2-cycle, air-cooled diesel directly
driving a generator. (It would not be running most of the time.) A 111 volt Lithium-Ion Polymer battery pack. Nothing but wires going from the controller to every wheel.

The Lithium Ion battery is the most efficient battery available right now. So is the outer rotor electric motor the most efficient motor.

Lets see what we can eliminate while improving performance and efficiency.

Transmission - None

Ignition system - None

Liquid cooling - None

Valves and valve train - None

Use bio-oil/fuels for both fuel and lubrication.
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7 of 29
April 19, 2005
Glad someone is telling the truth. I did laugh when I heard about GM's half assed effort at making hybrids. I guess it's better than nothing, and they are making hybrid diesel buses too.

This is another sign that hybrids are going mainstream, now that sites are appearing to get to the truth.
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8 of 29
April 19, 2005
Everyone keeps pounding GM -- they are either gonna do something revolutionary or go bankrupt and them merge.

BTW -- HybridCars.com is cool!
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9 of 29
April 19, 2005
Let the invisible hand of capitalism reward the true hybrids - buy a Ford
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10 of 29
April 20, 2005
The comments about the Escape Hybrid being a Toyota drive system is nonsense. It was all developed by Ford in-house at Dearborn, MI. Ford did a cross license agreement with Toyota to cover any patent infringement problems. And other components were involved in that agreement. There is nothing Toyota in the system. Ford had about 15 Master's degree people work on and build the system. The papers, as journalists seem to do more often, got it wrong on their Toyota comments. The electric motor in the system probably was off the shelf from an OEM. The SULEV gasoline engine is a Ford Drivetrain Product.
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11 of 29
April 20, 2005
Regarding Mr. Selsam, who was upset about the current "watered down" hybrids that are currently on the market: You can't expect the general public to jump from straight gas engines to a more efficient method of propulsion. Look at the (now dead) GM EV1- it cost too much, and the whole pure electric power-thing kept a lot of customers away. Car manufacturers need to ease their way into utilizing cleaner methods of propulsion. Otherwise, potential consumers are going to balk and not purchase the new, efficient cars (which leads to a model being pulled from the market). I think that the current hybrids offered by Toyota/Lexus and Honda are a great first step to ease consumers into a new-age of automobiles.
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12 of 29
April 20, 2005
Drive a hybrid you won't go back. Love mine
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13 of 29
April 20, 2005
Ford's Hybrid technology is NOT re-branded Toyota Technology. Go ahead and buy a toyota and wonder why you lost your job....
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14 of 29
April 20, 2005
Amusing! GM has done the most to thwart the
development of hybrids.
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15 of 29
April 20, 2005
Amusing! GM has done the most to thwart the
development of hybrids.
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16 of 29
April 20, 2005
So has GM and the main stream press gotten hold of this information and hold their feet to the fire?
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17 of 29
April 20, 2005
wipe detroit off the map
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18 of 29
April 20, 2005
The present move towards hybrids shows that we really are dissatisfied with cars as they have been for the past 100 years or so. Don't tell me that most of us will be driving regular oilmobiles 30 years from now. Get real!
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19 of 29
April 20, 2005
Why are we still buying and burning gas and diesel when we can make hydrogen free from the sun and wind.

Btw....... Hey Doug
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20 of 29
April 21, 2005
Just returned from Costa Rica where the government has forced manufacturers to install VVT-i technology on all new 2004-2005 and older vehicles. Example: a Dahatsu, Terios that I rented was getting over 40mpg in mountainous terrain and 4WDR conditions. The Terios is the Toyota's RAV4 counterpart. It looks the same, and the 2004 or older models get about the same milage as the Terios (over 32 MPG) according to dealers in Costa Rica thanks to VVT-i. Here is my point: the RAV4 in the US gets no more than 22MPG. If Toyota HAS the technology to increase efficiency, why isn't it applied in the US? Why are all cars IN THE US ALONE get the same gas rage in gas milage. What would happen if you combined the 2 technologies Hybrid and VVT-I (variable valve timing)? Perhaps, what we need is not better engineering, but less politics, less greed and less oil giants' meddling.
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21 of 29
April 21, 2005
so what happens with your hybrid's 120v plus System,when you run into street flooding etc?
Will you get electrocuted ??
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22 of 29
April 21, 2005
The Ford Escape drivetrain is built under license from Toyota. It is 3-yr. old Toyota technology. It works well.

Nissan has also licensed Toyota technology for its hybrids.

Toyota has said ALL of it's models should be available in either gas or hybrid drivetrains soon, I believe 2008?

Toyota and Honda are way ahead on hybrids.

GM is betting on full hydrogen fuel cell technology. They said they'll have H2 fuel cell cars coming off the assembly line by 2010, and by 2015 you should be able to by a H2 fuel cell on any Chevy dealer's lot.

Good luck GM!
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23 of 29
April 22, 2005
The way I understand the Escape technology is the nuts and bolts are from Ford and the controller technology and computer comes from Toyota. GM can do better, but the hybrid trucks are great for carpenters, plumbers and anyone that uses 120 volt power tools. The trucks have four electrical outlets powered by lead acid batteries under the back seat. The hybrid Accord is the one to beat now. It has a V6 with cylinder deactivation so it gets better mileage on the highway than it does around town. H2ICE is here, we just need to work on renewable hydrogen. Leave the fossil fuels alone. Thank you.
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24 of 29
April 27, 2005
5 Different companies in the US have now put an extra battery pack on the new Prius and created an interface for the Battery Management System so you have unlimited range and 200 MILES PER GAL. Cumm. MPG!!!! Toyota cant use it directly because they spent millions saying "you never have to plug it in".. but soon we should be able to buy these battery packs after-market for any TRUE hybrid... Somebody help get these companies funded!! Those who say charging is bad for the environment forget that the grid is upgradeable to green energy generation so a battery car gets greener over time as the grid gets greener.

search on google or yahoo: gridable hybrids
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25 of 29
April 28, 2005
We are in a state of energy crisis. And, have been since the Arab Oil Boycott of 1973. Obviously, neither government nor industry is taking the lead on developing and producing hybrid vehicles. It is apparent to me that there is 'leadership' resistance to energy independence. Therefore, we need the modern equivilent of the Minutemen (Mechanics not militiamen this time) to design and build and demonstrate in public home built hybrids. All the technology necessary is available off the shelf. Lets embarrass our 'leaders' into leadership.
Lets go to Boston next year and have another tea party. Lets cast off oil imports and show the citizenry the benefit of energy independence through homebuilt hybrids and other such systems. How about this, lets parade hybrids from Boston to Concord.
Do you like this idea? Pass it on.
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26 of 29
May 9, 2005
Jim's comment on April 20, 2005 are awesome. He knews what he is taking about. If you listen to people like him and others, then car companies will start producing transportantion that does not use gasoline. At the North American International AutoShow in Detroit this past January GMC had a concept Bus that is enviormentally friendly. That is way better then some of the ideas Toyota, Honda, and other foreign car companies have.
GO GMC, FORD, & CHRYSLER CAR COMPANIES
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27 of 29
May 9, 2005
People that think hybrid cars are not what they are said to be then you have another thing coming. Buying hybrid cars, trucks, SUVs lets the government and car companies know that people really do care about the enivorment. This make a demand for the cars, SUVs, and Trucks making car companies come up hybrids and other vechicalls that do not use gas quicker then 2010, 2015. WHEN YOU BUY YOUR NEXT CAR, SUV, OR TRUCK BUY HYBRID, HYBRID AND MORE HYBRID. HYBRID MODES OF TRANSPORTANT RULE. GO ENVIORMENT.
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28 of 29
May 9, 2005
Buy environmental cars and walk and carpool when ever possible. Take a stand. Write to the car companies and your sentors and reps. Tell them what you feel about the environment and how imortant it is to make cars, vans, SUVs, Trucks, and buses that do not use gas, but another form of energy that helps the enviorment. If you do not take a stand then then global warming will get worse, and worse, and worse.
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29 of 29
May 9, 2005
I have started walking to work when ever possible. If every one that could would walk to work, the store, or other places, maybe then the car companies would listen and get off their lazy butts to make better enviormental cars. Just like the bus boycott in the south, Americans should boycott driving cars for a month. We need to do this by using only public transportantion, walking, car pooling, and only using our cars, SUVS, and trucks to go to work, the store, doctors offices, and church. Take stand lets try it. If gas stations lost business, the oil indstury lost money, then the car companies would lose money(they are.) Enviormental cars would sale if they made them and make money for the auto indstury. Take a stand.
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