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Hydrogen Generated by Antarctic Winds

November 29, 2004   |   17 Comments

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"When the system is fully developed, an Antarctic station will, for the first time, be able to use a renewable source to meet virtually all its energy needs."

- Australia's Environment Minister Robert Hill
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1 of 17
November 29, 2004
how do wind turbines work
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2 of 17
November 30, 2004
It sure would be nice if they investigated something more efficient than hydrogen, like batteries.
Electrolyzer: 70%
Compression of H2 uses 20% of the energy in the H2: 80% efficient.
Fuel cell, including pumps, air compressors:50%
Total : only 28% of the electricity going in comes back out.
With batteries we get 90% back.
The hydrogen economy throws away 72% of our hard won energy.
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3 of 17
December 1, 2004
Hydrogen from wind power may be inefficient, but there are enormous sources for it. Also, Hydrogen should not be limited to fuel cells, which are inefficient and large and bulky (so far) Hydrogen can be burned in any system that uses natural gas or propane---stoves ,hot water heaters, clothes driers, furnaces etc. In fact it can be used in internal combustion engines (Ford is testing them now!)These are much more efficient. The colorless flame can be made yellow with about 1/2% ethylene.
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4 of 17
December 1, 2004
I wish the word would get out that hydrogen is not an efficient medium for energy storage or transfer. The energy density is low, the conversion process is expensive, and the fuel cells are only efficient at low current densities - so efficient systems require large facilities and lots of expensive materials. Probably one of the best energy ideas I've heard uses biological means of storing energy. A micro-farm would use waste water and solar energy to grow vast quantities of phytoplankton or algae. Harvesting and processing the dying phytoplankton and their biproducts to produce fuels such as biodiesel or methanol would give us a net energy gain as well as a sustainable energy source that could be found anywhere there's people and sunlight. Perhaps it would be wise for the AAD to consider what it would normally flush down the drain as a potential energy source?
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5 of 17
December 1, 2004
Although batteries would appear to be highly efficient, they too return on balance less than 50-60% but create an eventual waste hassard. Compressed air schemes suffer from both efficiency and size mechanical problems. We advocate that although wind energy losses are apparant, they a supurflous for the very reason that wind is renewable, and that H2 electrolysis from stranded wind production is cheap, capitalizing on both wind to electricity and wind to H2. Re-generating electricity through HydroX H2 boiler is 99% efficient and the steam can be used for standard room heat without futher efficiency loss (www.heatsusa.com).
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6 of 17
December 1, 2004
A more efficient storage would be to generate compressed are at about 350 bar (4,600 psi) in tanks made of HDPE/Carbon Fiber. Then run a generator from the compressed air for electricity with waste heat from both being captured. For the type of compressed air engine go to www.theaircar.com The compressed air could also be used to power vehicles. With the cold environment, there would be no need to plug-in or leave the engine running.
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7 of 17
December 2, 2004
I read an article yesterday critiquing the TV show "West Wing" in which the show was said to rely on outdated perceptions of the current, various alternative technologies. In short, they got it wrong. The thing they had right however, was the amount of bickering between the proponents of said technologies over who has the best solution. It should be obvious that no technology has THE ANSWER because there is no one answer. In contrast, every technology out there has a place somewhere but only applied research can tell us where. all of you researchers ou t there have the answers and the world needs them now so lets stop bickering over who's best. At this point this kind of disagreement smells at best of self serving hypocrisy and at worst of subterfuge. We're all in this together, lets act like it.
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8 of 17
December 2, 2004
If all of us that are interested in supplementing or replacing fossil fuels as the main source of power in our world, we must first grasp the concept of how our economy is based on transportation of all kinds. When we place more importance on the efficiency and effect of how we move people and materials it is obvious that our economies are slave to fossil fuel use. Let us examine the possibilities of transporting people and materials without the use of wasteful machines. Think outside the box and get to the base of the quandry. Fossil Fuel are weak and primitive for these puposes. Wind and solar power will be more popular and accessable to the economy brokers when we make them so.
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9 of 17
December 2, 2004
In spite of the commens above the Hydrogen Project is worth to be performed. Wind energy is of no cost and if you do nothing the efficiency is 0%. Flexibility of hydrogen use in existing facilities is the main argument. Go on and try it! Good luck!.
It is very encouraging, that there are wind generators which stand 300km/h wind, and which has not be switched of during strong wind periods. hoppe.w@rheinmetall-de.com
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10 of 17
December 2, 2004
Please correct my e-mail address :
rota_engg@yahoo.com.in
Thanks.
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11 of 17
December 2, 2004
I have innovated new type of Wind Turbine. This is Multistage Axial Flow Wind Turbine coupled with Solar PV, can generate huge power. I believe, this can produce large volume of Hydrogen. I live in India and can be used in Himalaya mountains. So I am interested to know more about this technologh. Thanks. D.N. Ghosh
My e-mail : rota_engg@yahoo.com
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12 of 17
December 2, 2004
Hydrogen, bio-fuel, compressed air, etc. all can be applied efficient, depending on area and use. Every environment and situation needs it's own specialized energy supply. For example the biofarm mentioned above can't be efficient in a cold climate as the arctic not to mention the lack of sunlight for a couple of months. It needs sufficient heat and sunlight throughout the year. On th eother hand large scale hydrogen production and storage is not effiecient, but it can be used to make better use of windpower by storage of excess power.
So everyone who believes in a certain method, energy carrier, conversion technique, get up and MAKE IT HAPPEN.
(and off course discussion and critisism is needed for progress)
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13 of 17
December 6, 2004
The marrying of 2 or more forms of alternative or complimentary energy sources is the only rational approach to weaning us off our debilitating fossil fuel addiction, sooner than later. Solar, wind and geothermal have already been proven to be cost-effective.
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14 of 17
January 27, 2005
great job
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15 of 17
March 20, 2005
think small. big is not the answer. small simple methods of producing hydrogen and then putting that hydrogen to work powering homes cars boats. Very important -- big is not the answer. Never mind thinking out of the box think small inside a very tiny box.
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16 of 17
April 25, 2005
WE NEED TO PUT A FASTER PACE IN RENEWABLE HYDROGEN
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17 of 17
May 27, 2005
I believe that the combined use of F.E.G's and a fuel cell system could solve a lot of issues surrounding renewable energy sources. Especially in antarctica where the production of energy and water is the primary concern. Fuel cells produce energy and water, and by using F.E.G's we can provide a means to fuel the cells with no environmental impact.
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