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How Solar PV is Winning Over CSP

Romeu Gaspar
March 12, 2013  |  39 Comments

More and more, renewable energies are competing against each other, instead of against conventional energy sources.

If you read the reports from major energy agencies and industry associations, you might be tempted to conclude that there is a bright future where all types of renewable energies will flourish and coexist peacefully. Well, they will not. Much like in any other sector, some technologies will trump others. In this article, we analyze how solar photovoltaic (PV) is winning over concentrated solar power (CSP).

In the 1980s, CSP seemed set to beat solar PV. While the latter relied on expensive solar modules more often used in small consumer electronics than in power plants (Exhibit 2), the former used tried and true technology borrowed from coal plants in order to produce vapor and drive a turbine (Exhibit 1).

Exhibit 1 - The 354MW SEGS CSP plant, built from 1984 to 1990 in California’s Mojave Desert

Exhibit 1 - The 354-MW SEGS CSP plant, built from 1984 to 1990 in California’s Mojave Desert

Exhibit 2 - The 1MW Arco Solar PV plant, built in 1984 in Sacramento, the largest at the time

Exhibit 2 - The 2-MW SMUDPV solar PV plant, built in 1984 in Sacramento, the largest at the time

Twenty-five years later, the face of solar energy has changed dramatically. In 2010 PV had a global installed capacity of approximately 35 GW, compared with CSP’s 1.5 GW (Exhibit 3).

Exhibit 3 - Evolution of PV and CSP global installed capacity (MW)

Exhibit 3 - Evolution of PV and CSP global installed capacity (MW)

Over the last years, we have had the privilege of working in these two sectors from multiple perspectives (supporting investors in selecting technologies and projects to invest on, helping start-ups in funding their ideas, and working with policy makers in defining incentive mechanisms) and believe that two factors have contributed the most for the dominance of PV over CSP:

  • Market size: PV can be installed almost everywhere CSP can, but not the other way around. Current commercial CSP technology needs higher levels of irradiance (typically those of the sunbelt countries), access to water (just like a coal plant) and large-scale deployments (typically more than 20 MW, compared with the few kW of a residential PV system). This means that there are more tech companies, investors and policy makers interested in PV than in CSP (Exhibit 4);
  • Technological simplicity: a PV system is like a quartz watch, whereas a CSP system is like a mechanical watch. The former revolves around the solar cell, while the latter is a combination of equally critical components. This has allowed the PV industry to focus on solving one issue — driving down the cost per Watt — while the CSP industry is spread across multiple challenges e.g. improving the optical efficiency of collectors, researching new heat transfer fluids or procuring higher efficiency turbines (Exhibits 5 and 6).
Exhibit 4 - Venture Capital and Private Equity investment in PV and CSP (2010/2011)

Exhibit 4 - Venture Capital and Private Equity investment in PV and CSP (2010/2011) 

Exhibit 5 - Impact/Probability matrix for CSP technological developments

Exhibit 5 - Impact/Probability matrix for CSP technological developments

Exhibit 6 - Impact/Probability matrix for PV technological developments

Exhibit 6 - Impact/Probability matrix for PV technological developments

Does this mean CSP will eventually disappear, trampled by PV? Not necessarily. CSP has one major advantage over PV: dispatchability. Current CSP plants can store thermal energy for up to 16 hours, which means that their production profile can match the demand profile (just like a conventional power plant). PV is not dispatchable, as a feasible commercial energy storage system does not yet exist. Dispatchability will be increasingly important when and where renewable energies achieve high penetration rates, so two things can happen: CSP becomes a commercially viable solution before a commercial PV storage system is developed, carving its own market segment; or the PV industry quickly solves the storage issue and becomes the solar technology of choice.

This article was originally published in X&Y Partners blog.

The information and views expressed in this blog post are solely those of the author and not necessarily those of RenewableEnergyWorld.com or the companies that advertise on this Web site and other publications. This blog was posted directly by the author and was not reviewed for accuracy, spelling or grammar.

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Davis Swan
Davis Swan
March 29, 2013
Hey here is an idea. PV is cheap and very quick to install. However, it obviously doesn't provide much energy after about 4:00 pm. CSP is expensive but can run 7x24 with enough thermal energy storage. So why not combine the technologies. Use PV during the day and have an adjacent CSP field heat molten salt and NOT generate electricity. Once PV starts to fade crank up the CSP. That would allow a relatively cheaper installation overall to provide 7x24 solar. I discuss in my blog http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2013/03/imho-use-concentrated-solar-power-only-after-the-sun-sets
Sreenivasan PN
Sreenivasan PN
March 21, 2013
Mark,
Thanks for the guidance. I would skim through the sources indicated by you and shall revert back.
Thanks again.
Sreenivasan
Kirk Blankenship
Kirk Blankenship
March 20, 2013
For more information about this topic you should download a free copy of the recently published Principal Solar Institute whitepaper "TECHNOLOGICAL NICHES: Concentrated Solar Thermal vs. Photovoltaic Solar" here: http://www.principalsolarinstitute.org/documents/2894.
EDISON GUEVARA
EDISON GUEVARA
March 18, 2013
Steen,

Thanks for your answer! Your project is a good reference for my research.

Cheers,

Edison
ANDERSON MARK
ANDERSON MARK
March 18, 2013
Sreenivasan,

Ever since the early 80s it has seemed to me that India would be an ideal place to establish an indigenous PV panel manufacturing industry, as you have a wealth of technical talent and a growing need for electricity. You are correct to be concerned about the quality of PV panels. When I have had manufacturers making multi-megawatt production runs of PV panels, I have placed my own quality inspectors in their plants to conduct inspections in parallel with the manufacturer's inspections. They don't like it, but money talks and it's too easy for problems to arise during a production run.

For up-to-date info on PV panel suppliers and to educate yourself and/or your son on PV, I would recommend contacting some of the full-service PV contractors in California (Pacific Power Renewables might be a good place to start, www.pacpower.biz), as the contractors have to deal with the shortcomings of all the rest of us in the PV supply chain. The California Energy Commission and the US government's National Renewable Energy Lab are good sources of info as well. Dr. Mark Levine of the Lawrence Berkeley Lab (also a US national lab) is an excellent source for info on energy policy and economics in Asia. I have also been impressed by the articles authored by Romeu Gaspar and the gang at X&Y Partners http://www.thisisxy.com/) on evaluating renewable energy business opportunities.

I wish you the best of luck!

Mark
Sreenivasan PN
Sreenivasan PN
March 18, 2013
James, Thanks for the quick and apt responses. I am a novice, and a Banker. But I was fascinated by the potential of Solar Energy which is the source of life on earth since my young days. The cost, at that time, was prohibitive. Most of our equipmdents in day to day use need electricity and untill we find an alternate way to go around, the solar energy will be converted into electricity. But the nature does not not use electricity. It uses energy in another form and yet successfully. I am learning.
Mark, Thanks for the nice words. India is a vast country, the largest Democracy of 1.24 billion. We have installed capacity of 240 GW with renewable contributing hardly 11% that too most Wind energy. We are at 77 Degree East and 22 Degree North. The major part of the year is clear sky, that makes it excellent for tapping solar energy.
The Cost now quoted around is about 10 million USD per MW requiring about 2 hectares of open land. The power has to be evacuated through the common grid. Roof top farming has not yet developed and we are not aware of the difficulties. The cost has come down to 70 cents/Watt in Europe. Chinese PV cells come cheaper, but we are not sure of the quality. I would like to know reliable suppliers with quality assurance.
Sreenivasan.
Steen Meldgaard Laursen
Steen Meldgaard Laursen
March 18, 2013
Mark,

Thanks for your interest. Just to summ up.

We are launching our new website in a few weeks.(www.alpha-e.com) All information will be there.

Actually we are aiming at being the best supplier of parabolic troughs - for turnkey providers that build bigger solar plants.

Our mother company (www.3tech.dk) is in the business of establishing and improving automated production lines. Some of our cost reduction comes from being good at manufacturing.

Even though we probably have the most efficient solar trough in the world at present, our development continues. We try to stay ahead.

Steen, stml@alpha-e.com
ANDERSON MARK
ANDERSON MARK
March 18, 2013
Steen,

Once again, thanks for the info on your plant. You Danes have identified a need, met it with solar, and are not reliant on subsidies. Well done!

Sreenivasan,

Your enthusiasm is inspiring as is the fact that your son is wintering in Antarctica, That takes commitment and dedication. India would seem to be fertile ground for PV and solar thermal enterprises. I wish you the best of luck!
Marvin Hamon, P.E.
Marvin Hamon, P.E.
March 18, 2013
Yes Mark, I'm sure Willis would be greatly dismayed. Compared to dealing with the usual incremental changes that take place over decades in the fossil fuel power generation world the renewable energy world must seem like a blur.

That's why I can use a text that describes power transformer technology from the 50s today with relatively little change but if I tried to do the same with a renewable energy text I would be reading about the problems of producing a few PV cells in a lab for use in satellites and not about how to design multi-megawatt PV farms.
Steen Meldgaard Laursen
Steen Meldgaard Laursen
March 18, 2013
Please see my answers regarding district heating via small CSP plants in Denmark below.

1. How big are the end-losses and what's the impact on the over-all efficiency?

ANSWER: Don't know, we did not establish the plant.

2. What's the expected power factor of the plant (how many nominal capacity hours a year)?
How the atmospheric conditions affect your Power Factor? --> clear sky days, sun hours a year.
What's the importance of the storage system into attaining an optimal Power Factor.

ANSWER: District heating suppliers in Denmark are normally looking for a way to avoid using fuel during the 3-4 summer months, that we have in Denmark. If they can avoid turning on the traditional heating plant and instead use solar energy for heating, they will have saved enough money to:
- pay for the (small) solar farm and to
- decrease the price for their users - the households.

3. What's the LCOE?

In Denmark it's 0,3 € per kWh. See European price overview here:
http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Electricity_and_natural_gas_price_statistics

4. and finally, what's the importance of governmental support (policies, regulations) in the success of this project?

ANSWER: None.
Normally district heating suppliers don't get any contribution from the government. In some energy projects in Denmark (both PV and CSP) there has been EUDP means involved.

Steen
Mail: stml@alpha-e.com
Dr. JAMES WOLTER
Dr. JAMES WOLTER
March 18, 2013
Sreenivasan Photovoltaics (PV) has the advantage of directly converting sunlight into electrical current (key word "direct" - meaning that there is immediate electrical power flowing from PV materials into the electrical energy gathering circuit) whereas thermal plants in stage-1 gather the sun's heat energy and then in stage-2, using a secondary process, (either a steam boiler driving a generator or a Stirling engine driving a generator apparatus) use the gathered heat to create electrical energy.

Since this blog started around the concept of "dispatchability" of electrical energy - the overall problem which begs to be solved is that any solar system makes intermittent power caused by the variability of its energy source (the sun). This intermittent power delivery arises from several sources - but for the sake of clarity two "first-order" effects are that: 1. if there were no clouds in the sky - solar power production follows a "bell-shaped" curve - starting with low electrical output when the sun rises and peaking at the sun's zenith (so called solar noon) - then declines along a similar bell shaped curve until the sun sets for the day. 2. on any given day, the random appearance of clouds (from whispy thin to opaque dark clouds) will cause a shading effect which changes the solar power output according to how much it diminishes the solar power at the PV (or CSP) site. Other atmospheric disturbances (like the smog in polluted atmosphere's) come into play but these two (the bell-shaped curve and the random shading effects) are "first order" effects.
Now most electrical power users need power because of their individual needs for electrical power - and therefore whether they are using individual, community, or Utility scale power systems - they want "power on demand" ... all of this means that DISPATCHABILITY becomes an intrinsic need in electrical power availability.
I am running out of "remaining characters" - what else would you like to explore?
Dr. Jim
Sreenivasan PN
Sreenivasan PN
March 18, 2013
Wow! CSP, PV, Thermodynamic, Dispatchability; I was trying to understand the viability of setting up a Solar Energy Plant in India and landed up in the hot discussions- mainly on dispatchability. I was impressed by the extensive experience of Mr Mark and his cool positive approach to the entire sequences of comments. I would like to read more on the subject and possibly send my son, an Electrical Engineer, who is presently wintering in Antarctica, with a mission to go PV.
Sreenivasan.
EDISON GUEVARA
EDISON GUEVARA
March 17, 2013
Dear Steen,

Thank you for your interesting contribution. I'm researching the technical and economical feasibility of CSP technologies in Venezuela and your long experience in this area could grant me great input.
It'has been said that CSP technologies are only adequate for sunbelt countries, i.e. where high yearly DNI are present. However, after knowing about your experience, it seems that it proves also success in other regions. In this context, I wanted to ask you couple things related to the installation in Thisted, Denmark:

1. How big are the end-losses and what's the impact on the over-all efficiency?
2. What's the expected power factor of the plant (how many nominal capacity hours a year)?
How the atmospheric conditions affect your Power Factor? --> clear sky days, sun hours a year.
What's the importance of the storage system into attaining an optimal Power Factor.
3. What's the LCOE?
4. and finally, what's the importance of governmental support (policies, regulations) in the success of this project?

The applications of CSP in Venezuela would be more in the direction of process heating and eventually also cooling. As one trying to introduce CSP technologies in Veneuela, I find your experience really useful.

Thanks for your feedback!

Edison
ANDERSON MARK
ANDERSON MARK
March 15, 2013
I'm sure that Mr. Willis will be greatly dismayed to learn that less than nine years after its publication his book is hopelessly ('a century'???) outdated. Of course, his dismay will be overshadowed by the howls of anguish that will no doubt emanate from the legions of 'load planners' and 'people with a fossil fuel background' when they learn that their sordid conspiracy to 'hold renewables back' has been unmasked.

I began working on my first PV plant in 1981. This was before I had any fossil, or other plant experience. There were no experienced PV engineers with commercial operations or construction experience. We staffed the project with people experienced in building hydro, nuclear, and fossil plants and added a few folks with experience on PV research projects (which are definitely not in the same league as commercial plants). I never encountered any signs that any of those people (or anyone else, for that matter) wished to hold renewables back. Instead, they worked the project with great enthusiasm and assigned their most experienced people to the PV design/construction management work. In the years since, I have worked on nearly every type of generating plant in existence, in 22 states and two European countries and I have not yet encountered anyone seriously opposed to renewables (questioning and offering observations and differing opinions do not automatically qualify as opposition among reasonable people).

As I said previously, there is no point in debating what the term dispatchability means. The market speaks with greater authority than any of us - and the market says that PV without storage has little value when compared to energy from dispatchable sources. Trying to wordsmith definitions is unlikely to overcome market forces.

Lead by example - a positive approach sets the tone and provides the best example.
Marvin Hamon, P.E.
Marvin Hamon, P.E.
March 15, 2013
The Willis book covers a lot of area. We need to keep in mind that it was last updated in 2004 and in renewable energy years that's a century ago. Reading what it has to say on PV and renewables in general shows its age. Much has changed since then about our understanding of large scale renewable energy production.

The definition that I read from the Dispatchability section is, 'Dispatchability permits the DG owner to commit in advance to certian production schedules, to provide a promissed amount of power at a certain time, regardless of how much power the DG unit is producing at that time.' This is the definition as viewed by the supplier and my reading of this is that a supplier has to be able to produce the power contracted for at a certain time, not before and not after. So the supplier has to have a plant that can ramp up and down from the contracted power output within a specified amount of time. There is nothing inherent in that definition that says renewable energy can't be dispatchable without storage and that is the point I am making.

Dispatchability has another meaning to the load planner. It means freedom to match the production schedule of all the available DG to the load profile.

I know that many people in industry, particularly people with a fossil fuel background, would say that any fuel uncertainty makes a generator unreliable and therefore useless. This argument, that if renewables are neither base load or dispatchable it means that they cannot be depended on for energy production, has been used for years to hold renewables back.
ANDERSON MARK
ANDERSON MARK
March 15, 2013
The book, 'Power Distribution Planning Reference Book, Second Edition' by H. Lee Willis contains a detailed definition of the term 'dispatchability' as used by the electric utility industry and owners of independent generating plants. The definition is too lengthy to quote here, but opens with the sentence: 'Energy storage is also needed if a basically non-dispatchable energy source, such as PV, wind, or solar thermal, is to be applied in a dispatchable manner.' Practically speaking, there is no point in debating the fine points of a definition of the term. Dispatchable energy and generating capacity each have distinct values in the marketplace. Commercial dispatchability requires that the generating plant's capacity and energy can both be available to meet a scheduled contractual commitment. Energy and capacity from plants that can guarantee deliveries with the greatest schedule flexibility have the greatest market value. Ramp-up rates are only important when contracting for peak power and emergency backup sources. Strictly speaking, all types of plants are dispatchable some of the time, but not necessarily when the market is willing to pay (or pay very much) for the energy and capacity. Plants with energy storage capability have the greatest dispatchability and commercial value , whether that storage is in the form of fuel (for nuclear, coal, natural gas, or biomass) or electricity storage (solar, wind).
Marvin Hamon, P.E.
Marvin Hamon, P.E.
March 15, 2013
I'm not asking you the change your text. I'm just pointing out to readers that you are not correct in your definition of what is and what is not a dispatchable power generator. While Wikipedia is a good resource for the general public it is hardly a source for definitive information about science or industrial processes. Try listing Wikipedia as a reference for an IEEE article or any article to be printed in a peer reviewed journal. You might also want to check what they list as references for that particular entry. The renewable energy inputs to the entry seem to all come from one website, Vision of Earth, which hardly looks authoritative to me.

I do agree with their definition for dispatachable energy. But the second part about what sources they considered dispatchable is an editorial, not authoritative, and not even consistent with their own definition.

For instance, your CSP with storage plant in the morning after storage is depleted has no more reserve than any wind or PV plant without storage so how can it be placed in a different category? At the end of the day it may have built up a reserve depending on the solar conditions and the load on the plant but it is hardly guaranteed. If the solar conditions were poor that day or the plant loading was not allowing excess energy storage it's just another CSP plant without storage. It's still dispatchable though because the power output can be ramped quickly, not because of the storage.
Romeu Gaspar
Romeu Gaspar
March 15, 2013
Thank you Mark, corrected!
Romeu Gaspar
Romeu Gaspar
March 15, 2013
Marvin, thank you for your note.

I will however not change the text. Dispatchable generation can mean different things to different people, so I have used what I believe is the most widely adopted definition (taken from Wikipedia, a collaborative, peer-reviewed and generally up-to-date source):

"Dispatchable generation refers to sources of electricity that can be dispatched at the request of power grid operators; that is, generating plants that can be turned on or off, or can adjust their power output on demand. (...) In general the only types of renewable energy which are dispatchable are biofuel, biomass, hydropower with a reservoir, and concentrated solar power with thermal storage."

(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispatchable_generation)
ANONYMOUS
March 14, 2013
Most renewable boosters do not understand the free market. The price of electricity depends upon demand and production. Each producer bids to sell electricity at a particular price. This is profitable for the first PV panels that are sold. As more PV comes on line, the price of electricity for all PV owners decrease on sunny days with low electricity demand. Because the operational costs of PV are near zero, the price drops to near zero for all PV when PV can meet the total grid demand on a sunny day. PV revenue collapse occures when PV is between 10 and 20% of the total yearly production. Storage technologies may be developed however profits from buying PV electricity at near zero value and selling at times of high prices goes to the owners of the storge devices, not the owners of PV farms. One has to abandon the free market if PV is to provide more than 10 to 20% of the total electric demand.
ANDERSON MARK
ANDERSON MARK
March 14, 2013
Steen,

Thanks for the info on your company and your projects. Looks like you are keeping busy - I can see many applications for your systems.
Steen Meldgaard Laursen
Steen Meldgaard Laursen
March 14, 2013
In Denmark the government contributed to PV solutions. For a while they spent billions of DKK seeing lot's of homeowners install PV on their roofs.

After a few years the numbers showed that PV only covered less than 1 percent of the total demand for electricity. So they stopped the program.

Without contribution PV is too expensive to establish compared to the output. CSP is worth the investment, when you produce hot water for district heating and/or for production sites that need hot water.

Here is a link to the first CSP farm in Denmark producing 120 - 140 degrees celcius hot water - for district heating. It's very small.

http://www.aalborgcsp.com/projects/concentrated-solar-power/operational-projects/csp-plant-for-district-heating-in-thisted,-denmark.aspx

Here is a video explaining in Danish about the small pilot plant: http://www.aalborgcsp.com/solvarme-i-thisted.aspx

Now more and more district heating providers are interested in getting a CSP solutions. Size is probably from 2.500 sqm to 20.000 sqm.

Cheers, Steen
ANDERSON MARK
ANDERSON MARK
March 14, 2013
One more minor comment for Romeu, regarding Exhibit 2: SMUDPV is actually a 2 Mw plant. Phase 1 and Phase 2 of the project were each 1 Mw.
Marvin Hamon, P.E.
Marvin Hamon, P.E.
March 14, 2013
Good article, up until you brought up dispatchable generation. You incorrectly associate being dispatchable with having storage. Dispatchable generation simply means having the ability to quickly ramp up or down power production. There is no requirement that this has to be available 24 hour a day. The question with renewable power plants is determining how much power to contract for considering the vagary of the weather. PV plants can be ramped quickly from 0 to the full available power output and back down to 0, more quickly than CSP plants actually since there is no thermal lag.

Examples of power plant that are not dispatchable are coal fired and nuclear plants. Changing the power output of those plants requires careful slow ramp rates over a matter of hours or days.

What having storage does is allow the generator to time shift power production, a completely different issue from being dispatchable.
Mogens Lauritzen
Mogens Lauritzen
March 14, 2013
From a technology POV, CSP has been here for a very long time. The CSP systems we build today are not that different than the systems that were build 30-40 years ago. Therefore, we should have seen CSP gain acceptance a long time ago if there truly would have been a value proposition. The fact is, it never did, have not, and why would it change going forward? All this jazz about CSP thermal storage is nothing but hot air, because sooner or later we will solve electric energy storage with some new technology, while CSP is stuck in the laws of thermodynamics.

Folks - CSP died a long time ago. Time to move on with PV based systems.

Cheers - Mogens Lauritzen
Jeffrey Citron
Jeffrey Citron
March 14, 2013
Steen,
I second the request. I would like to know more about your company & products & how we can contact you. I have a new trough concentrator & a new architecture for trough concentrators that I think you might be interested in. My new architecture for trough concentrators reduces wind loading on these structures by an average of 47.5% at worst case angle of attack & reduces peak to peak wind loading by 87%.
Jeff Citron
jseeaz1@yahoo.com
ANDERSON MARK
ANDERSON MARK
March 14, 2013
Steen,

I would appreciate learning more about Alpha-E and the solar thermal projects in Denmark. If you can provide a link to more info, that will be great.

I'm not very good at predicting the future, which is why I don't play the stock market. Future developments will determine which emerging technologies are the 'winners.' But, what we can do today is just what it sounds like the Danes are doing: use technology that is appropriate for the need we are trying to serve so that we can get the job done today. In your case it sounds like you don't need superheated steam, but do have plenty of need for hot water and perhaps low pressure steam. Solar trough systems do a great job of filling that need.

Most of my experience is with thermal power plants of many different varieties, many of them larger than 1000 Mw. This experience has made me a believer in the advantages of small, clean, very robust, distributed generating plants, whether they generate hot water, steam, electricity or all three. (I especially like those where the fuel is free!) It sounds like that is what your company is focused on and I would like to learn more about your projects.
ANDERSON MARK
ANDERSON MARK
March 14, 2013
Jim,

One final note: SMUD is a public agency and is very willing to share their data. A phone call to Sacramento should allow you to locate the operations staff responsible for SMUD PV and I'm sure they will be willing to share any information they have. To my knowledge, the only shortcoming in the design relates to the effect of high ambient temperature on performance of the PV cells. We allowed for a certain amount of performance degradation based on the best data available at the time, but the temperature effects were greater than expected. Thus the plant performance on very hot days is slightly less than we wanted. On the other hand, on clear, cold days it puts out nearly 10% more than it was designed for.
ANDERSON MARK
ANDERSON MARK
March 14, 2013
Jim,

When we designed the system our overriding design standard was that the facility should have a forty year life. Practically speaking, this means that absent a failure of the encapsulation of the PV cells, the plant should run for much longer, assuming that the owners find it economically attractive to replace components as they wear out. We also subjected the panels to an exhaustive set of environmental tests, designed to simulate 40 years of aging (JPL and NASA were extremely helpful in setting up this test program). A preliminary production run of panels was shipped to Acurex and assembled into an array identical to those found in the finished plant. Acurex engineers used this array to test form, fit, function and also to further examine the design for weaknesses that could potentially affect our forty year design standard. SMUD engineers, who were experienced in designing, building, and operating commercial versions of several other types of power plants, contributed their observations on potential weaknesses in the design. The federal oversight team from the national labs did the same, based on their extensive experience with PV research projects.

I stopped receiving updates on the plant's performance when Dave Collier retired in about 2000. (I left SMUD in 1988 to manage projects as a consultant for other utilities). I know that in 2000 the degradation was negligible. As far as I know, only one of the inverters has been replaced (there are three, one rated at 1 Mw and two at 500 Kw each). The replacement was the result of a comedy of errors. In 1987 a small, smoldering fire occurred in the building housing the 1 Mw inverter. Instead of reporting the fire to SMUD's operations staff, as our procedures stipulated, someone called the local volunteer fire department. The volunteers cut the lock on the security fence, broke into the inverter building, and hosed down $500k worth of electronics. The fire was not in the inverter.
Tom Lakosh
Tom Lakosh
March 14, 2013
While still in its infancy, solar rectennas are likely to eventually displace all other solar tech, (e.g. http://scitechsolar.com/tech_single_cell.html). With the advent of mass produced nanoscale rectenna elements using atomic layer deposition these cells could not only double triple junction cell efficiencies at a cost below PV, (common metal or carbon nano tube deposition), but will also allow night time harvesting of stored IR radiation. This tech in combination with new laser scribed graphene supercapacitors, ( e.g. http://www.photonics.com/Article.aspx?AID=50784), will allow for totally dispatchable solid state solar plants with lifetimes exceeding 30 years without degradation. Let's hope that these technologies can garner the needed R&D before the agricultural, economic and political stresses of global warming destroys society's ability to develop and deploy these promising solutions to our hell-bent predicament.
Dr. JAMES WOLTER
Dr. JAMES WOLTER
March 14, 2013
Mark Can you comment on how much degradation in output there has been on the 30 year old SMUD project. There is not much empirical data going that far back because each system has different environmental stresses - and of course installation varies in terms of quality of wiring - inverters and such. How many times have inverters been changed-out?
Jim
ANONYMOUS
March 14, 2013
With large scale solar deployment, PV loses if there is a free market in electricity. NREL assessments of California indicate that as PV approaches 10% of all electricity produced, there begin to be an increased number of days where solar is the total electricity produced in the middle of the day. In a free market, the price of electricity goes to almost zero at such times implying little revenue and no incentives to build renewables.
Concentrated solar systems have storage to enable production of electricity on demand so they avoid the zero-value electrcity market. PV appears viable because of laws and tax breaks that assure revenue independent of the price of electricty.
Steen Meldgaard Laursen
Steen Meldgaard Laursen
March 14, 2013
There is room for both CSP and PV in this world where focus on renawables is increasing. The parabolic solar trough is undergoing improvements in all areas. Your exhibit 5 mentions many of them.
Size, design, efficiency, manufacturing, transportation, assembly, installation and maintenance.

We (Alpha-E, Denmark) just launched what seems to be the most effective parabolic solar trough in the market. Reducing overall cost with up to 30%.

Lightweight aluminium mirrors attched with reflecting film mounted on a fast-assembled, steel constructed collector. Aperture is 8x12 meter. Concentration factor is 115x.

Just to mention a few things that are possible:
- Establish a 500.000 sqm solar field in less than a year
- Reuse production lines - when building subsequent farms
- Generate more than 500 degrees celcius

In Denmark (far from the sunbelt) the first CSP plant started producing hot water for district heating of homes last year. There will now be more plants following. Cost is reduced with every farm established. Bringing down the cost of hot water - for heating and production.
ANDERSON MARK
ANDERSON MARK
March 14, 2013
Thanks, Romeu. Sorry to be so long-winded. But as I wrote the memories came flooding back. It was a great project to be part of and a testimonial to the great things that can be accomplished when we work together.
Romeu Gaspar
Romeu Gaspar
March 14, 2013
Mark, thank you for your note, I've corrected the label (both here and on the original article).

It is a privilege to meet the project manager from the SMUDPV plant, and to know more about its history. Congratulations on that 30th birthday!

Best,
Romeu
ANDERSON MARK
ANDERSON MARK
March 14, 2013
Very insightful article. The energy needs of the future will need all the clean sources we can develop, so it's likely both technologies will be around for awhile - although I personally believe the simplicity of PV will win out. Just a few comments: Exhibit 2 is mis-labeled the 'Arco Solar PV Plant.' While Arco provided the panels, the plant is SMUDPV, designed and built by the Sacramento Municipal Utility District (SMUD), with Acurex Corp. serving as our engineering consultants. I know this because I was the project manager. On the first phase we had to show Arco how to design the panels and how to assure the quality of their product met our standards. Partway through phase 1 Jim Caldwell took over as president of Arco Solar and under his leadership Arco's performance improved dramatically. Engineers from SMUD (Val Lewis, 'Doctor' Bob Daniels, Dave Thorpe, Brian Diltz), Acurex, JPL, Sandia, and Los Alamos labs provided the technical smarts to make the project a success. E.S. (Ab) Davis of JPL led the tech support team from the national labs and was a great help, while with his other hand he was developing a little thing called the Global Positioning System. On the second phase of the project Arco did their own design work and improved upon their product. Mitch Wool and Bob Spencer led the Acurex team. Dave Collier led the SMUD operations team that brought the plant through its startup process, writing the book as they went along. Congressman Vic Fazio led the effort to get over 80% of the project funded by the feds. Without Vic there would have been no project. SMUDPV went on line in June 1984, is still generating power, and will celebrate its thirtieth birthday next year.
Ricardo Ramirez-Vargas
Ricardo Ramirez-Vargas
March 13, 2013
CSP is an alternative for supplying part of the heat required in the process industry (in Sunbelt countries). To convert solar energy into electricity, PV is the winner.
Ramzvargs.
ANONYMOUS
March 13, 2013
hi ceglie, how do you bring the heat from CSP to cover this 80% thermal energey demand?
CSP can only be deployed economically effective in sunbelt countries, usually in locations where no loads (either thermal or electrical) are available.
CSP will remain a niche technology (e.g. sunbelt countries, mining industry, etc.). Massive deployment is not possible due to:
1. Market limitation (as explained before)
2. Lack of standardization (too many technologies in the game)
axel ceglie
axel ceglie
March 13, 2013
CSP produce thermal power, 80% of energy world market is thermal energy, there is big field for CSP and PV too. axel

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