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Solar Fred Solar Marketing Tip: What If We Sold Residential Solar Like Cars?

By Tor 'Solar Fred' Valenza
January 16, 2012   |   22 Comments

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22 Reader Comments
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1 of 22
January 16, 2012
While both cars and solar arrays provide a practical service/good, there is definitely a status element to both. A new car or solar array is something to brag about, and while they both have to pencil out, the sexy factor gives you some sales wiggle room.
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2 of 22
January 16, 2012
Another view of this in comparing buying a car to buying a solar system is that when you buy a solar PV system, you're getting the 'gas' or energy for free (for it's 25+ year lifespan). After the initial investment, the savings on your electric bill, the tax incentives and other rebates contribute in the system paying for itself in about 6 years. The rest is just gravy.
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3 of 22
January 16, 2012
Good point, Evelyn... although 6 year payback is going to depend on you location, rebates, and a lot of other factors, as you probably know. But I like the free gas analogy. Thanks!

Carter, I think there's definitely a status aspect to it right now. That's why entire neighborhoods become seeded with solar after the first visible install. Thanks!
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4 of 22
January 16, 2012
Yup, a car in every driveway and solar on every car port...
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5 of 22
January 17, 2012
Great article. I don't agree with everything, but the point about how both are financed is really useful for explaining to people about PV. In my view, if someone will put PV on your house for you at no extra cost to you and guarantee your electricity bill will stay where it is for the next so many years, it is kind of irrelevent to what it costs. I wish they did the same with cars (you would get a free car and just make payments for gas and maintanence!).
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6 of 22
January 17, 2012
Solar photovoltaic panels are still going after 55 years in space; and provided that the sealants between the panels and frames are checked every decade or so, there is no reason why the solar panels on your roof or in your fields, should not last your lifetime! Your lovely new car, alas, will not last so long. Only today's vintage cars were built with the sort of high quality materials that would be needed for such longevity.

So panels and cars are in a different ball park. The former, will be the only ones you have to buy; but the latter will be a constant drain on the finances!
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7 of 22
January 17, 2012
Very informative and very helpful post, Solar Fred! What an easy, familiar analogy to put new clients at ease.

Alison Tottenham, an excellent point about cars being a liability. Leasing solar panels is a wise investment because they don't depreciate in value at anywhere near the rate cars do and they're saving you money long-term, unlike cars which get more expensive to maintain each year.

Thank you both!
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8 of 22
January 17, 2012
Hey, Summer and Alison, thanks for the shout out. As I noted in the post, I wouldn't advise solar sales people to favor the client buying solar instead of their dream car. While the points you make are true, chances are that the person may be thinking about buying a car in the near future, and the argument shouldn't be that you're wasting money buying a car instead of solar. Rather, solar can lead to you saving money to buy your next car! Especially with a lease or solar PPA product, which have low up front costs.
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9 of 22
January 17, 2012
Solar Fred, I like your idea of steering them towards a "win-win" solution to attain both their dream car AND solar. Perhaps we can coach clients one step further to save the "Dave Ramsey way": Set aside the $150-ish saved monthly on their electric bill into a mutual fund, then within X amount of years they'll have enough to pay CASH for their dream car!

Taking this approach by giving them a prescription for attaining both solar & their dream car may be the nail in the coffin for them to sign.
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10 of 22
January 17, 2012
Selling solar using electric cars might be a tactic that works as well. The old $40 a week in fuel saved by PV trickle charging a battery makes $2,000 a year and $52,000 over the life of the 25 year solar warranty. It will continue producing at a lesser rate long after that. Electric car manufacturers would do well to show the infinite MPG rating and the recommended size solar area needed to charge a spare swappable battery.
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11 of 22
January 18, 2012
I'm a little surprised that some of the larger solar companies haven't invested in solar stores, where equipment is on display and trained solar consultants can assist potential customers. Think Apple Stores.
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12 of 22
January 18, 2012
Home power has a PV vs SUV chart that shows how much you save comparing the 2. homepower.com/article/?file=HP90_pg46_Smithson
FYI just in case
PV is Photo Voltaic electric panels, made in the USA of course
EV is electric vehicle, also made in the USA
SUV is Sport Utiltiy Vehicle

I also like to compare PV vs a Swimming Pool. The PV makes money while the Swimming Pools uses water, electric for pumps and chemicals.

With An EV and PV I call it Feed In Transportation, where about $1 in an EV of electricity replace 2 gallons of gas $6.60 today at 25 mpg. Add in the Environmental factors and it's priceless.

If people really compare investments Solar PV is a big winner.
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13 of 22
January 18, 2012
That's great aticle Jim. Thanks for sharing.
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14 of 22
Anonymous
January 18, 2012
Payback for PV is 6 or 7 years? Sounds good!

Two questions: What would be the capacity of the application?
How much average daily sun would be required?
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15 of 22
January 18, 2012
Bad analogy. Unless it's strictly for business use, a car is a (very expensive) expense.

PV should be sold as an INVESTMENT. Insured, guaranteed, and with a return better than bank CDs, bonds, or dividend paying blue chip stocks.
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16 of 22
January 18, 2012
I like the investment analogy, John, and I've mentioned several times now that sales people shouldn't position solar as an alternative to any large purchase.

The point here is to make common solar concepts less "foreign" and easier to understand.
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17 of 22
January 18, 2012
When people figure out that PV on the roof and eV in the driveway will equal huge reductions in our trade imbalance and that equals energy independence and debt reduction. MAYBE, just maybe we can see the patriotic movement towards an eV / PV future.
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18 of 22
January 18, 2012
Some of us don't care about snazzy cars or big screens, but that does not mean we don't like gadgets.

In some of the circles I hang in, it's kosher if it came by bike-cart.

I know I live in a bubble, but the New York Times is always sending more immigrants to my bubble.

And then there's Portlandia, on cable, which I don't need to watch, because I already live here, and also because my TV broke, and I don't care.

If I want to watch it, I can get it on the net. Small-screen works just fine.
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19 of 22
January 19, 2012
Rooftop Solar works for me:

http://www.mpsaz.org/rmhs/staff/hljohnson/solar_information/

Check out my 'Cost of the PV System'

As John-Bronson stated,"'PV should be sold as an INVESTMENT", Right on John ! ! ! ! ! !
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20 of 22
January 22, 2012
Thanks for a provocative and interesting article, It energized me to ReThink Solar.
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21 of 22
January 30, 2012
Hi SolarFred and SummerMorris, I do like the idea of installing PV to save for a car. But at current costs in the UK, one had better not intend to save for an electric car. Could take over 25 years! Still being positive, electric cars will have advanced a lot in those years, and perhaps their price will have fallen. I think that for the time being at least, I'll stick with John-Bronson's view of PV as the heaven sent investment! Still I do know one family that has installed PV to pay for their badly designed ground source heating, which ended up sending their electricity bills soaring...
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22 of 22
February 13, 2012
Great article! a solar system should be see as an invesment or as a kwh or btu purchase. More like a hardware as a service
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