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Bigger Subsidies Make Bigger Solar a Bad Bet

By John Farrell
December 19, 2011   |   6 Comments

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Anonymous
December 20, 2011
The link the author gives above on utility scale pricing includes this full quote: "In the second quarter, residential installations cost $6.42 per watt; nonresidential installations cost $5.20 per watt and installations done by the utilities themselves cost $3.75 per watt."

These are average values for each class of installation and when considering average values utility scale wins BIG, with residential costs 70% higher. The author chooses to compare one of the lowest cost residential projects (aided, in part, by group pricing) to the average cost of utility scale, but a fair comparison would be to the most efficient of the utility scale installs. Here again the utility scale installs win big with best prices in that time period below $3 per watt. The limited pricing data that exists also suggests utility scale pricing is dropping faster than residential scale indicating that their advantage will continue to grow. Furthermore, install prices ignore other advantages utility scale has including cheaper O&M and install locations with better insolation. As a ratepayer, if my choice is between paying for high-cost utility-scale solar power or hugely overpriced solar from small installs I'll go with the low cost vendor.
Steven
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December 20, 2011
I'm failing to see the validity of the speed argument. I think saying that 1,600 MW's of small-scale developed in the US in three years really shortchanges the industry.

That effort represents years of actions to establish net-metering legislation, to build local electrical and engineering businesses, and for solar product makers to build and deploy commercial marketing and distribution chains.

Also, comparing that development result, to a five-year development timeline for one large-scale solar plant doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm not sure what kind of rhetorical fallacy that is, but I'm sure it is one.
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Anonymous
December 20, 2011
Any article or comment that just looks at comparative costs between market segments is shallow, because it is missing the comparative analysis of returns. Sure, residential costs more than utility-scale per watt, but it offers different and high value savings for the utility by siting close to load, by installing power plants modularly and fast, and on and on.

Go look at the RW Beck report for Arizona Public Service to see that the utility, and ostensibly its ratepayers, are reaping 8-14 c/kWh from rooftop solar in the form of avoided fuel costs, avoided line losses, distribution grid benefits, and so on.

Then add in what they didn't count-- residential or commercial solar as a "lead generator" for energy efficiency purchases. Greater local economic benefits and jobs associated with those installations. Water savings from avoided traditional generation. Etc.

Point is: it's all good and we need it all. Stop trying to pit little against big.
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December 25, 2011
It's time to tell the truth about solar power – it isn't making ANY difference. In the last 10 years more than $1 trillion was spent worldwide and yet new demand outpaced this solar capacity by 3:1.

It's clear something needs to be done, but even if we spent $500 billion on solar in the next few years the reduction in CO2 emissions would be less than 3%. Insignificant.

We should be looking at burning natural gas cleaner with the proven technology of oxy-fuel combustion (replacing coal and conventional NG), which has very low emissions of CO2 and no NOX. $500 billion invested in that idea would cut CO2 by +70%.

I'm following a guy in Austin, TX that makes a lot of sense. He has a solution. The Introduction is here:

http://www.solutioneur.com

Let's make some real progress and stop pretending solar is going to solve the problem – it cannot.
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December 29, 2011
For the commenter that prefers utility scale solar because of the lower installation prices, he seems to be missing out on the most important part of home solar ownership, and that is the period after payoff of the product and installation. Payoff is 10 years or less, but systems are guaranteed to operate for 25 years and likely last much longer. That means an end to utility bills for decades beyond the period of costs. who would choose to pay forever when they can own their own system and realize the profit for themselves. all it would take is for low interest loans to become available, and people will start installing much more solar in short order. The FIT program is very important. Here in Florida, our legislators have chosen protectionism over citizens needs, and buy back of power is only worth 6 cent per kwh, and only paid as a credit toward your utility electric bill. No one is encouraged to install more than they need in this system, as those who generate more than enough for their own use will be giving it away for free to the utility. That is why many are seeing off grid systems, sized carefully as the best choice, as utilities are allowed to create a lousy deal for the homeowner.
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Anonymous
December 29, 2011
Alligatorhardt writes:
"For the commenter that prefers utility scale solar because of the lower installation prices, he seems to be missing out on the most important part of home solar ownership, and that is the period after payoff of the product and installation. Payoff is 10 years or less, but systems are guaranteed to operate for 25 years and likely last much longer...."

Alligatorhardt seems to fail to understand that the solar panels will last just as long on a residential roof as in a utility scale install but the utility scale project will be much cheaper. Thus, for a fixed amount of funding much more solar PV will be installed if we fund large projects rather than small ones. It is irrational to have a Federal subsidy that pays a fixed percentage of the total costs--the subsidy should be a fixed amount per MW installed (or kWh produced). This would encourage the most efficient installations, which would be better for the solar PV industry and for the environment.

Alligatorhardt makes certain claims about 10 year paybacks and the like which are dubious. If, however, these are true, we should ask why ratepayers (via net metering) and taxpayers are asked to subsidize residential PV at all.
Steven
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