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Baby Steps in Climate Negotiations are Still Steps in the Right Direction

By Jennifer Runyon
December 12, 2011   |   12 Comments

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December 12, 2011
'The cries of outrage from climate scientists are already being heard all over the blogosphere. They say that the talks will do nothing to stave off the catastrophic effects of climate change. By 2020, they say, when the emission targets are actually binding, the planet will already be very, very doomed.'

Isn't that what they always say?

For those of us that live in the real world, the latest RSS numbers are lower than 1979, when sat records were first kept! I.e. - NO GLOBAL WARMING!

http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthly_time_series/RSS_Monthly_MSU_AMSU_Channel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_3.txt
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2 of 12
December 12, 2011
"Additionally, the parties agreed to establish a Green Climate Fund — a fund of about $100 billion that could be used around the world to mobilize climate change mitigation strategies."


Translation: $100 billion will be given to brutal corrupt third world dictators, so they can continue their mayhem as usual.
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3 of 12
December 13, 2011
Oh my God!
The author is another climate catastrophy shouter. "Catastropic change", "doomed planet", and so on has nothing with reality. Global warming became a religion for millions of people with cutting CO2 emissions to be the only possible way to save our civilisation from the coming apocalypse!
Cool it! GW has no catastrophic effect. The consequences of it are widely exaggerated. The biggest problems of our word are AIDS, fresh water supply,malaria and malnutrition.
Don't waste money on mitigating climate change! There are better ways to save people...
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December 13, 2011
The latest RSS numbers and no global warming? Who paid for this study? John-B,
Belief systems are very powerful things, whether they are right or wrong is another story.
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December 13, 2011
@robhilbun,

IIRC, the US government (i.e. taxpayers) paid to put up those satellites. The data is what it is - it was cooler last month than Nov 1979! Rather odd with so much global warming going on isn't it?

You are correct on belief systems - which is what global warming is. Forget 12 years, we could have no warming for the next 100 years, and alarmists would still be warning of the impending doom.
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Anonymous
December 14, 2011
Come on good people sitting on either side of the fence. Forget about global warming if that is so difficult for you and talk about something measureable like CO2 concentration in the atmosphere or millions of barrels per day of oil use. The fact of the matter is that we are still increasing our fossil energy use which is causing CO2 to rise. Is this a concern? If so then do something about it. Or should we just wait to see what happens? Grow up!
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December 14, 2011
I am sorry - but anyone who does not think that climate change is real - just needs to wake up and do a wee bit of reading. Start with Merchants of Doubt. What is MOST amazing is that the same scientists that cast doubt about smoking which delayed the obvious from 1953 to the late 1970's only ending with a RICO action are many of the same (non-climate scientists) who denied ozone damage, nuclear winter (it is OK to have a nuclear war some can survive) and now climate change. They are all paid "deny and delay" stooges for the industries backed "institutes". Please wake up - we all need to stop allowing a tiny tiny number of media savvy fossil fuel paid lap dogs delay delay delay the widespread understanding that all of these problems - smoking, ozone, climate change are simply MARKET FAILURES where the free market DID NOT account for all the external costs and damages they were causing....
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8 of 12
December 14, 2011
The facts of the matter are that there hasn't been any 'global warming' for the past 12 years, despite the highest CO2 increases in recorded history. As Phil Jones says 'all our models are wrong'. The models are wrong, because the underlying theory is wrong.

Another fact is that Canada, Japan, and Russia have all dropped out of the Kyoto agreement. The US had never signed on. It's obvious that most of the people in the world do not consider global warming to be an important issue. The Durban agreement is a joke. It's basically a continuation of Kyoto for EU countries only, many of which are on the brink of economic collapse.
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9 of 12
December 14, 2011
Thank you Mr. I have the "facts" where may I ask did you get these "facts".

Have you seen the pentagon report on climate change (the thing you say does not exist?)

Have you see the white paper written by the CEO of Lloyd's of London on this non-existent thing ? They are writing checks for weather related things.

Have you read the 2006 report commissioned by UK Prime Minister GOrdon Brown that is breaks down (exhaustively)the costs of climate change ?

Have you seen that Mayor Bloomberg of NYC has formed a new department to deal with the effects of climate change ?

I would be happy to send you ALL these links and more...

If you think the pentagon, Lloyd's (largest insurance consortium in the world), National academy of sciences, UK Science institutes and Major Bloomberg and numerous other credible groups - WITH NO LINK to payments from Fossil fuel companies - are not credible and are all working together to - do what ?? Get money from who ?? Please.......stop it. This is a problem for ALL of us and we will all suffer. To stop it we must ALL work together and move forward utilizing FACTS and now junk science denial by PAID stooges of the industry groups that just want to delay just as the tobacco companies did in the 1960' and 70',
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December 14, 2011
peterlynch wrote:

"I would be happy to send you ALL these links and more..."

Ok. Post a link showing temp anomalies for the past 12 years. Post another link showing CO2 level increases for the past 12 years. And finally, post a credible explanation as to why there hasn't been temp increases, despite the increases in CO2 levels.

I'll help you with the CO2 data:

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
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December 16, 2011
Don't know where Mr John-Bronson gets his climate misinformation from but of the warmest years ever recorded 8 have been in the last 10 years.
Yea I know weather is cyclycle but I just can't recall when the last time seven billion people were using up half a billion years of stored carbon.
I'm sure it must of happened some time before
My memory is a little hazy but I do recall when Pangea broke apart the volcanic action and coinciding combustion of some of the then stored carbon increased the CO2 levels to what we are approaching now. That was over a period of tenthousand years and the Artic was a tropical paridise judging by the petrified wood up there.
MMMMMMM Just part of the cycle I guess
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December 16, 2011
gary-mccallum-153526 wrote:

"of the warmest years ever recorded 8 have been in the last 10 years"

That's not the point. The question is - where are the temp increases for the last 10 - 12 years? CO2 has certainly increased, I've already posted that data.

And BTW, this is not a question that I've invented. It's a major point of contention between climate scientists:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climate-change-sceptics-proved-wrong-accused-hiding-truth-colleague.html
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