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Obama Cleantech Stimulus: Bad Policy, Bad Politics and Bad for Cleantech

By David Gold
October 26, 2011   |   9 Comments

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9 Reader Comments
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1 of 9
October 26, 2011
Just like when the dot com bubble burst. Nobody ever heard of that internet thingy anymore.
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2 of 9
October 26, 2011
This article reads like some emotional rant that was manufactured in the wing-nut echo chamber to create controversy. You might actually have an interesting point in there somewhere but I don't have the time to dig through your sensationalist writing style.
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3 of 9
October 26, 2011
I think the point is simply RE is getting a backlash because of Obamau's crony capitalism. Reports are that the Fisker deal involves a major campaign bundler (as did Solydra). With another half billion or so to Nancy Pelosi's brother in law. See a pattern here?
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4 of 9
October 27, 2011
@Bronson Speaking of echo chambers, that is this week's wing-nut echo chamber talking point. Nancy's brother-in-law? Really!? Hasn't got any traction outside the echo-chamber.. but keep trying. LOL..
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5 of 9
October 27, 2011
David, did you arrive at your point of Solyndra-wisdom back in 2009 as Solyndra was starting to exist, had a solution to the high cost of solar panels, and was being seen by both solar and financial industries as a good idea?

Or did your wisdom arise after the price of solar panels fell at an extremely rapid and unexpected rate?

You flaunting your Monday morning quarterbacking skills or are you carrying water for the fossil fuel industry?

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Let's get some facts on the table...

Solyndra received glowing write-ups in places like the Wall Street Journal. Solyndra was regarded as a promising concern, bringing new manufacturing and good jobs to America.

Had the price of solar panels fallen, but fallen a bit slower Solyndra would have likely survived and offered a 'made in America' product.

The loan guarantee was actively pushed by the Bush administration. The application was submitted during the Bush administration.

The DOE committee that approved the application was the exact same committee that was making decisions during the Bush administration. The committee made their decision only a few weeks after President Obama came to office, his administration had not had time to reach that far into agencies and change the way things had worked during the previous administration.

The committee has stated that they made the grant on merit and received no pressure to approve from the Obama administration. The only pressure they received was to make the decision in a timely manner.

Solyndra's CEO was a Republican. A major investor in Solyndra was the conservative/Republican Walton(Walmart) family.

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David thinks that the cleantech stimulus was a bad idea.

I suppose David thinks that we should just let China totally take over cleantech. Hey, we don't need no stinikin' jobs, do we David?
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6 of 9
October 30, 2011
I am glad to see that not only I found this article to be lacking in value. The Solyndra loan was less than 2.5% of the DOE renewable energy loans, and as others have mentioned, looked like a good case for a long time. Meanwhile, the rest of the solar industry has done well, exceeding the general growth rate in other industries, and produced $1.9 Billion in exports, in addition to all the domestic installations. The solar industry employs more people than US steel and continues to grow, with good paying jobs. Compare that to the 50% default rate on nuclear power loans. Solar energy is here to stay, and the subsidies are far less than fossil fuel and nuclear subsidies. No war for sunlight will be fought. No disasters from solar power will be seen. Homeowners and businesses have the most to gain from owning their own power production, free from fuel costs and returning value long after they have been paid off. Those governments that encourage investments in solar power have the fuel bills of the future in mind, and the costs of fuel imports and related military costs. Subsidizing domestic sustainable energy production is in everyone's long term interest.

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2011/08/why-we-should-democratize-the-electricity-system-part-1#readercomments

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/10/green_jobs_numbers.html

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2011/06/value-of-solar-power-far-exceeds-the-electricity
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7 of 9
October 31, 2011
Guys, you miss the point. It was the government's stated goal to be involved in solar to create demand so that efficiency in product and research would drive down cost to the end user. Where did Solyndra fit is this goal? The answer is simple "nowhere".

Solyndra was always going to be a high cost producer in a industry that the government was trying to reduce costs in. As the government drove costs down Solyndra was distend to failure.

But don't despair Solyndra will rise from the ashes. The Solyndra technology and production will be sold through the bankruptcy to new investors for pennies on the dollar and thus the new buyer's will get the technology at no cost. The tax payer will have thus subsidized the new investor which will then be able to make a profit on the Solyndra technology free from the prior development costs. Just think how successful Solyndra could have been if Solyndra had not had to recover their development cost from the end user.

Solar will never replace O&G energy until the sun shines 24 hours per day. We continue to make the argument that solar can eliminate O&G but even politicians buying votes realize that argument is false. We need to face the fact that solar requires twice the capital investment that O&G requires and only produces energy when the sun shines. That capital cost has to be recovered and must be part of any renewable energy strategy discussion.

One final thought, solar is only for the rich. In America we subsidize renewable energy through tax credits to the end user or developer. A buyer of solar has to make enough income to pay taxes to take advantage of renewable energy. A person or company that has little or no income will not receive the benefit of the tax credits. Since over half our population does not have the income to pay federal or state income taxes they are eliminated from the rebate program but still pay for it through higher energy costs used to offset the rebate program for the rich. Is this fair?
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8 of 9
December 20, 2011
Sun2Energy should know better. Life learned a long time ago how to live off of solar energy and make it successfully through the night. Conversion to chemical fuels, electrochemical batteries, and thermal storage all solve the puzzle of the rising and setting sun.
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9 of 9
December 20, 2011
Gold is a market fundamentalist who does not seem to know history very well. Many important industries have either been developed, subsidized, owned, controlled or regulated by government. For example, oil, computers, telephones, banks, electric utilities, and the aerospace industry. Solar is just another example. And for every example of a government supported flop, one could easily find examples of free market flops: for instance, Enron was hundreds of times larger than Solyndra.
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