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Hooray! A Solar PV Brand Is Finally a Household Name! Except the Brand Is Solyndra. Bummer.

By Tor 'Solar Fred' Valenza
October 4, 2011   |   8 Comments

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October 4, 2011
Brand names? Do they really matter? Any company can produce a product and each one of those products can fail or succeed during it's lifetime. Eg. Me and my neighbor both buy the same product, mine works perfectly over the years yet his has problem after problem. Anything can happen on the production line that will affect a products performance.
Do you have a preference when it comes to bottled water? Maybe so, but it's all just water. Clever advertising, designed to dupe the consumer is just that, advertising. They can say whatever they want to promote their product while bashing other's products.
Only time can tell which products are best, so any new company saying their product is superior without being time tested is just nonsense. How many RE product companies have gone out of business over the past ten years and how many new companies are out there now promoting the same ideals.
Remember it is only a name. Even the most established companies can produce a poor product. So it's just buyer beware and cross your fingers.
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2 of 8
October 4, 2011
Thomas, this much more than about a name. This is about building a relationship with your customers that turns them into advocates for your company, spreading word of mouth. But I agree and have written about the commoditization of solar PV. I disagree that there's nothing to do about it and to just let price and the market decide winners and losers. I point to Apple and Harley Davidson because these are both brands that are able to charge a premium for their respective commodities, computers, cell phones, and motorcycles. Solar needs to have that same market dynamic.
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October 4, 2011
Well, HD has been around for quite a long time so their products have proven themselves over the years thus solidifying their reputation and the quality of their products.
Apple on the other hand, though they have also been around for many years, still seems to have problems with their products. Perhaps it is because they are introduced without being time tested. Yet people still purchase their products based upon their loyalty and the company's reputation, despite the fact that some of their latest products get recalled, which follows my premise that a name does not always necessarily denote a good product.
Another example is car manufacturers. I think we all know most every car maker has produce lemons yet they use their reputation based on their other products to sell them.
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4 of 8
October 5, 2011
Good article, Tor. I agree with you and disagree with Thomas. Despite the "commoditization" of PV modules, different brands offer different levels of quality, performance and have different track records, as a result the level of risk varies. One cannot compare track records of brands like Kyocera and SolarWorld USA (previously Shell Solar, Siemens Solar and ARCO Solar going back to 1977 in the US) modules which have been in the field in N.A. for decades. We're now seeing customers having installed Siemens SP75s at telecom sites in the early 1990s wanting to replace their arrays not because of defective modules, but because of lost power due to degradation over 20yrs which is completely normal and expected. They've also performed very well in annual module yield (kWh / kW) outdoor testing by Photon in Germany and DKASC in Australia. Compare them to most Asian brands, for example, that only have 5 - 7 years of track record in the field. Longer, better track record means lower risk for the investor, resulting in price premium.
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5 of 8
October 5, 2011
Most sensible people will understand this simple analogy:
So a fuel pump manufacturer goes bust. Doest it mean the entire automobile industry is dead? Are people going to stop buying cars?
Of course, Politician are different. Remember I said, 'most sensible people' and that doesn't include the Tea Party either.
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6 of 8
October 5, 2011
I worked for a PV panel producer years back, ASE america's formerly Mobil Solar. Even with a world wide name as Mobil, yes the same one that has all the gas stations, their product did not sell and they had to sell out. But during my time at ASE, I saw panels being produced and labeled A, B, C, D, and E. All different grades of the same production panel. Each panel was tested shortly in order to distinguish their grade. There was also a big barrel where poorly made cells were dumped to be recycled.
So to reinforce my earlier statement, any and every company that produces a product will have issues. This is why there is usually a quality control department. And for any company to make some kind of profit, there must be sales. So even if a product comes out sub-par, they must sell it in order to make some money and deal with the consequences down the road. This is why some companies go out of business. And as we all know lots of PV producers have gone out of business.
And unless you talk to every single person who purchased a panel from a particlar company, and get their feedback, there is no way you can state that any one company's product is good or bad. There are those who will say their panels have performed great over the years while there will be others who will have had bad experiences.
And vineland, though you disagree with my statements, you seem to have repeated what I have said, whereby time tested products are better than one's with a brand name.
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7 of 8
October 5, 2011
For the past 30 years there were few players in the solar module business and as few individuals to purchasing these modules. Thanks to the "Green Revolution", all types of people are joining the revolution, even many ex-real estate agents and used car salesmen, are entering to renewable energy arena, and many know little about the industry.

Solyndras failure was predictable, their business plan sucked, the moral of the story is...if your going to enter into the renewable energy field, ask yourself, can I compete with the Chinese.

First Solar announced that that could supply modules at under $1.00 USD per watt, now the Chinese can sell at 0.75 per watt. Ask yourself this question, where will America shop?

Years ago, I had a conversation with a friend who was and remains prominent in the solar business and education. It was at the time when SMUD (Sacramento Municipal Utility District emerged as a solar supplier.
My friend thought it was a terrible idea, that it would cause the little solar stores and suppliers to go out of business. I attempted to point out to him that if we truly wanted to realize success in bring solar to everyone, we would have to invite the Big Guys to sit to the table.

Now, we have First Solar, actually, True North Partner, LLC, an investment arm of the Walton family, owners of Wal-Mart.

So I guess that the Big Boys are finally at the table, welcome Solyndra, Striling, SpectraWatt, Evergreen. Oh, thats right, they all filed for bankruptcy.

The US Dept of Energy put up $4.75 Billion in Solar loans, I guess those monies will join the billions lost in Bagdad and Kabul.

The Chinese put up $20 Billion and they are thriving, maybe America has lost its ability to compete, in almost every field of manufacturing. So what, we always have our wars.
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October 11, 2011
Thanks for the challenge, Fred. We're definitely facing an uphill battle, particularly those of us focused on B2B - it makes getting branding campaigns approved that much more difficult. However, even in a B2B environment, having created a household name would prove invaluable.
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