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Clever Accounting Lets Utilities Cash In When You Go Solar

John Farrell
August 09, 2011  |  39 Comments

I recently got a copy of a utility bill for a Minnesota business that has a 40 kilowatt (kW) solar PV array.  I wanted to learn how quickly he’d pay off his array with the electricity savings.  

I was shocked.

Payback time was 30 years.  Even if the business owner had received a generous $2.00 per Watt rebate on top of federal tax incentives, it would still take 22 years for her to recoup her investment.  It all came down to the way utilities account for solar power under “net metering” rules.

A quick tutorial.  Net metering essentially lets a utility customer run their meter backward if they have an on-site electricity generator (like rooftop solar).  So if I’m a commercial customer who uses 10,000 kilowatt-hours (kWh) a month but my solar panel generates 4,000 kWh, I only pay for the difference: 6,000 kWh.  This is supposedly a great deal, because rolling back the meter at the retail rate typically beats getting paid the utility’s “avoided cost” wholesale power rate – the rate the utility pays for more power from nearby power plants.

But the trick is how the meter rolls back.  You might think that your electricity bill has simple math: total electricity consumed times the rate per kWh used.  In the case of this business owner, that would have been a rate of 21 cents per kWh and a payback period for their solar array of just 9 years.

If you thought it was simple, you’d be wrong.   

In this case, 12 percent of the electricity bill is taxes and fees.  And of the remaining 88 percent of the bill, 60 percent isn’t an energy charge per kWh, but a “demand charge,” which the solar PV array doesn’t affect.  So the customer can “net meter” with their solar power array, but it only affects 35 percent of their total electric bill.

So instead of rolling back their meter and saving 21 cents per kWh of electricity, this commercial customer actually receives about 5.4 cents per kWh, reflecting the energy charge portion of their bill (divided between an energy charge (41 percent), fuel cost charge (57 percent), and (tiny) environment improvement rider (2 percent).  And net metering at that rate means a payback period of 30 years.

Net metering doesn’t do a whole lot for the customer’s bill, but it sure makes the utility happy.

With net metering, the utility treats solar PV electricity generation exactly the same as it would conservation or energy efficiency (with the exception that solar usually gets a more generous rebate).  And since both of these strategies are significantly less expensive than PV for reducing electricity demand, the customer loses out.

The customer loses, but the utility wins. 

That’s because the energy charge doesn’t necessarily take into account the additional value that solar provides to the utility.  When working with the Palo Alto, CA, municipal utility, the CLEAN Coalition – a California renewable energy organization – found that solar PV was worth nearly 75 percent more than typical “brown power” because of its time of delivery (peak), avoided transmission access charges, renewable energy credits, and additional local value.  Similar calculations were also made in Ft. Collins, CO.  That means that instead of the 3-4 cents that utilities claim they pay for an additional kWh from a cheap coal or natural gas plant, solar is actually worth far more.

Accumulating solar PV and other distributed generation sources can also allow the utility to defer infrastructure upgrades and reduce stress on the distributed grid, especially when spread over a wide geographic area.
 
There are a few caveats.  The energy charge that individuals and businesses pay on the utility bill (5.4 cents in the case of the Minnesota business owner) may exceed what the utility pays for the power (there’s a markup in every business); even so, the structure of net metering means that the utility isn’t paying for the advantages of additional electricity generation, but only for delivering a bit less electricity.  The particularly poor economics for folks who go solar in Minnesota are also a factor of the state’s rate structure.  Minnesota has relatively low electricity prices with no time-of-use rates or consumption tiers that would allow solar PV to offset marginally higher rates.  Other states, like California, have rate structures such that net metering values are 15 to 20 cents per kWh, rather than 5 cents.

There’s much more to net metering rules than the price, but in Minnesota and likely other states, it’s a rule that offers a lot to utilities and very little to ratepayers.  We can do better.

This post originally appeared on Energy Self-Reliant States, a resource of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance's New Rules Project.

The information and views expressed in this blog post are solely those of the author and not necessarily those of RenewableEnergyWorld.com or the companies that advertise on this Web site and other publications. This blog was posted directly by the author and was not reviewed for accuracy, spelling or grammar.

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Lawrence Carroll
Lawrence Carroll
August 18, 2011
Free-Marketeer, your websites and your struggle with Altahama Electric Membership Corporation (EMC) giving a clear accounting with your grid-tie 10KW solar array were most illuminating, and remind me to some degree with my experience with Alabama Power Company (though not quite as bad).

One of the two solar installers that I know of here in Alabama told me that Alabama Power was much easier to work with than the local co-ops, and based on your experience with EMC I now see (I believe) more of what he was talking about! Nonetheless, the central problem you refer to - defining what constitutes a real "avoided cost" - still remains even with Alabama Power as well.

I haven't struggled with Alabama Power so much however, being happy just to finally have what I've always dreamed about - a solar, grid-tie (6 KW) system. During the first 9 or so months, the "avoided costs" were higher and during "peak" production periods I earned more money (I believe it was around 6-10 cents, gross), but for some mysterious reason Alabama Power lowered this later to a top payment of 4 cents! Thus, while originally I had to produce a "mere" surplus KWH of 3.5 times what I used (per month) to break even on my bill, I now must produce an excess of over 6 times what I use per month in KWH!

So yes, one wonders what "accounting procedures" are being used to determine the "avoided cost figures" indeed, especially when there is constant talk about the rising expense of producing electricity!

Some years ago when Bush was still president, Ralph Nader laughed and joked how the whole country seemed to be getting "Enron-itos," and I'm sure both the "altnernative left" as well as the "libertarian right" find quite a bit to relate to in that comment! I know I do!

Take care . . .
Lawrence Carroll
Lawrence Carroll
August 18, 2011
Free-Marketeer, your websites and your struggle with Altahama Electric Membership Corporation (EMC) giving a clear accounting with your grid-tie 10KW solar array were most illuminating, and remind me to some degree with my experience with Alabama Power Company (though not quite as bad).

One of the two solar installers that I know of here in Alabama told me that Alabama Power was much easier to work with than the local co-ops, and based on your experience with EMC I now see (I believe) more of what he was talking about! Nonetheless, the central problem you refer to - defining what constitutes a real "avoided cost" - still remains even with Alabama Power as well.

I haven't struggled with Alabama Power so much however, being happy just to finally have what I've always dreamed about - a solar, grid-tie (6 KW) system. During the first 9 or so months, the "avoided costs" were higher and during "peak" production periods I earned more money (I believe it was around 6-10 cents, gross), but for some mysterious reason Alabama Power lowered this later to a top payment of 4 cents! Thus, while originally I had to produce a "mere" surplus KWH of 3.5 times what I used (per month) to break even on my bill, I now must produce an excess of over 6 times what I use per month in KWH!

So yes, one wonders what "accounting procedures" are being used to determine the "avoided cost figures" indeed, especially when there is constant talk about the rising expense of producing electricity!

Some years ago when Bush was still president, Ralph Nader laughed and joked how the whole country seemed to be getting "Enron-itos," and I'm sure both the "altnernative left" as well as the "libertarian right" find quite a bit to relate to in that comment! I know I do!

Take care . . .
Lawrence Carroll
Lawrence Carroll
August 18, 2011
Free-Marketeer, your websites and your struggle with Altahama Electric Membership Corporation (EMC) giving a clear accounting with your grid-tie 10KW solar array were most illuminating, and remind me to some degree with my experience with Alabama Power Company (though not quite as bad).

One of the two solar installers that I know of here in Alabama told me that Alabama Power was much easier to work with than the local co-ops, and based on your experience with EMC I now see (I believe) more of what he was talking about! Nonetheless, the central problem you refer to - defining what constitutes a real "avoided cost" - still remains even with Alabama Power as well.

I haven't struggled with Alabama Power so much however, being happy just to finally have what I've always dreamed about - a solar, grid-tie (6 KW) system. During the first 9 or so months, the "avoided costs" were higher and during "peak" production periods I earned more money (I believe it was around 6-10 cents, gross), but for some mysterious reason Alabama Power lowered this later to a top payment of 4 cents! Thus, while originally I had to produce a "mere" surplus KWH of 3.5 times what I used (per month) to break even on my bill, I now must produce an excess of over 6 times what I use per month in KWH!

So yes, one wonders what "accounting procedures" are being used to determine the "avoided cost figures" indeed, especially when there is constant talk about the rising expense of producing electricity!

Some years ago when Bush was still president, Ralph Nader laughed and joked how the whole country seemed to be getting "Enron-itos," and I'm sure both the "altnernative left" as well as the "libertarian right" find quite a bit to relate to in that comment! I know I do!

Take care . . .
Lawrence Carroll
Lawrence Carroll
August 18, 2011
Free-Marketeer, your websites and your struggle with Altahama Electric Membership Corporation (EMC) giving a clear accounting with your grid-tie 10KW solar array were most illuminating, and remind me to some degree with my experience with Alabama Power Company (though not quite as bad).

One of the two solar installers that I know of here in Alabama told me that Alabama Power was much easier to work with than the local co-ops, and based on your experience with EMC I now see (I believe) more of what he was talking about! Nonetheless, the central problem you refer to - defining what constitutes a real "avoided cost" - still remains even with Alabama Power as well.

I haven't struggled with Alabama Power so much however, being happy just to finally have what I've always dreamed about - a solar, grid-tie (6 KW) system. During the first 9 or so months, the "avoided costs" were higher and during "peak" production periods I earned more money (I believe it was around 6-10 cents, gross), but for some mysterious reason Alabama Power lowered this later to a top payment of 4 cents! Thus, while originally I had to produce a "mere" surplus KWH of 3.5 times what I used (per month) to break even on my bill, I now must produce an excess of over 6 times what I use per month in KWH!

So yes, one wonders what "accounting procedures" are being used to determine the "avoided cost figures" indeed, especially when there is constant talk about the rising expense of producing electricity!

Some years ago when Bush was still president, Ralph Nader laughed and joked how the whole country seemed to be getting "Enron-itos," and I'm sure both the "altnernative left" as well as the "libertarian right" find quite a bit to relate to in that comment! I know I do!

Take care . . .
Lawrence Carroll
Lawrence Carroll
August 18, 2011
Free-Marketeer, your websites and your struggle with Altahama Electric Membership Corporation (EMC) giving a clear accounting with your grid-tie 10KW solar array were most illuminating, and remind me to some degree with my experience with Alabama Power Company (though not quite as bad).

One of the two solar installers that I know of here in Alabama told me that Alabama Power was much easier to work with than the local co-ops, and based on your experience with EMC I now see (I believe) more of what he was talking about! Nonetheless, the central problem you refer to - defining what constitutes a real "avoided cost" - still remains even with Alabama Power as well.

I haven't struggled with Alabama Power so much however, being happy just to finally have what I've always dreamed about - a solar, grid-tie (6 KW) system. During the first 9 or so months, the "avoided costs" were higher and during "peak" production periods I earned more money (I believe it was around 6-10 cents, gross), but for some mysterious reason Alabama Power lowered this later to a top payment of 4 cents! Thus, while originally I had to produce a "mere" surplus KWH of 3.5 times what I used (per month) to break even on my bill, I now must produce an excess of over 6 times what I use per month in KWH!

So yes, one wonders what "accounting procedures" are being used to determine the "avoided cost figures" indeed, especially when there is constant talk about the rising expense of producing electricity!

Some years ago when Bush was still president, Ralph Nader laughed and joked how the whole country seemed to be getting "Enron-itos," and I'm sure both the "altnernative left" as well as the "libertarian right" find quite a bit to relate to in that comment! I know I do!

Take care . . .
Lawrence Carroll
Lawrence Carroll
August 18, 2011
Free-Marketeer, your websites and your struggle with Altahama Electric Membership Corporation (EMC) giving a clear accounting with your grid-tie 10KW solar array were most illuminating, and remind me to some degree with my experience with Alabama Power Company (though not quite as bad).

One of the two solar installers that I know of here in Alabama told me that Alabama Power was much easier to work with than the local co-ops, and based on your experience with EMC I now see (I believe) more of what he was talking about! Nonetheless, the central problem you refer to - defining what constitutes a real "avoided cost" - still remains even with Alabama Power as well.

I haven't struggled with Alabama Power so much however, being happy just to finally have what I've always dreamed about - a solar, grid-tie (6 KW) system. During the first 9 or so months, the "avoided costs" were higher and during "peak" production periods I earned more money (I believe it was around 6-10 cents, gross), but for some mysterious reason Alabama Power lowered this later to a top payment of 4 cents! Thus, while originally I had to produce a "mere" surplus KWH of 3.5 times what I used (per month) to break even on my bill, I now must produce an excess of over 6 times what I use per month in KWH!

So yes, one wonders what "accounting procedures" are being used to determine the "avoided cost figures" indeed, especially when there is constant talk about the rising expense of producing electricity!

Some years ago when Bush was still president, Ralph Nader laughed and joked how the whole country seemed to be getting "Enron-itos," and I'm sure both the "altnernative left" as well as the "libertarian right" find quite a bit to relate to in that comment! I know I do!

Take care . . .
Lawrence Carroll
Lawrence Carroll
August 18, 2011
Free-Marketeer, your websites and your struggle with Altahama Electric Membership Corporation (EMC) giving a clear accounting with your grid-tie 10KW solar array were most illuminating, and remind me to some degree with my experience with Alabama Power Company (though not quite as bad).

One of the two solar installers that I know of here in Alabama told me that Alabama Power was much easier to work with than the local co-ops, and based on your experience with EMC I now see (I believe) more of what he was talking about! Nonetheless, the central problem you refer to - defining what constitutes a real "avoided cost" - still remains even with Alabama Power as well.

I haven't struggled with Alabama Power so much however, being happy just to finally have what I've always dreamed about - a solar, grid-tie (6 KW) system. During the first 9 or so months, the "avoided costs" were higher and during "peak" production periods I earned more money (I believe it was around 6-10 cents, gross), but for some mysterious reason Alabama Power lowered this later to a top payment of 4 cents! Thus, while originally I had to produce a "mere" surplus KWH of 3.5 times what I used (per month) to break even on my bill, I now must produce an excess of over 6 times what I use per month in KWH!

So yes, one wonders what "accounting procedures" are being used to determine the "avoided cost figures" indeed, especially when there is constant talk about the rising expense of producing electricity!

Some years ago when Bush was still president, Ralph Nader laughed and joked how the whole country seemed to be getting "Enron-itos," and I'm sure both the "altnernative left" as well as the "libertarian right" find quite a bit to relate to in that comment! I know I do!

Take care . . .
Lawrence Carroll
Lawrence Carroll
August 18, 2011
Free-Marketeer, your websites and your struggle with Altahama Electric Membership Corporation (EMC) giving a clear accounting with your grid-tie 10KW solar array were most illuminating, and remind me to some degree with my experience with Alabama Power Company (though not quite as bad).

One of the two solar installers that I know of here in Alabama told me that Alabama Power was much easier to work with than the local co-ops, and based on your experience with EMC I now see (I believe) more of what he was talking about! Nonetheless, the central problem you refer to - defining what constitutes a real "avoided cost" - still remains even with Alabama Power as well.

I haven't struggled with Alabama Power so much however, being happy just to finally have what I've always dreamed about - a solar, grid-tie (6 KW) system. During the first 9 or so months, the "avoided costs" were higher and during "peak" production periods I earned more money (I believe it was around 6-10 cents, gross), but for some mysterious reason Alabama Power lowered this later to a top payment of 4 cents! Thus, while originally I had to produce a "mere" surplus KWH of 3.5 times what I used (per month) to break even on my bill, I now must produce an excess of over 6 times what I use per month in KWH!

So yes, one wonders what "accounting procedures" are being used to determine the "avoided cost figures" indeed, especially when there is constant talk about the rising expense of producing electricity!

Some years ago when Bush was still president, Ralph Nader laughed and joked how the whole country seemed to be getting "Enron-itos," and I'm sure both the "altnernative left" as well as the "libertarian right" find quite a bit to relate to in that comment! I know I do!

Take care . . .
Lawrence Carroll
Lawrence Carroll
August 18, 2011
Free-Marketeer, your websites and your struggle with Altahama Electric Membership Corporation (EMC) giving a clear accounting with your grid-tie 10KW solar array were most illuminating, and remind me to some degree with my experience with Alabama Power Company (though not quite as bad).

One of the two solar installers that I know of here in Alabama told me that Alabama Power was much easier to work with than the local co-ops, and based on your experience with EMC I now see (I believe) more of what he was talking about! Nonetheless, the central problem you refer to - defining what constitutes a real "avoided cost" - still remains even with Alabama Power as well.

I haven't struggled with Alabama Power so much however, being happy just to finally have what I've always dreamed about - a solar, grid-tie (6 KW) system. During the first 9 or so months, the "avoided costs" were higher and during "peak" production periods I earned more money (I believe it was around 6-10 cents, gross), but for some mysterious reason Alabama Power lowered this later to a top payment of 4 cents! Thus, while originally I had to produce a "mere" surplus KWH of 3.5 times what I used (per month) to break even on my bill, I now must produce an excess of over 6 times what I use per month in KWH!

So yes, one wonders what "accounting procedures" are being used to determine the "avoided cost figures" indeed, especially when there is constant talk about the rising expense of producing electricity!

Some years ago when Bush was still president, Ralph Nader laughed and joked how the whole country seemed to be getting "Enron-itos," and I'm sure both the "altnernative left" as well as the "libertarian right" find quite a bit to relate to in that comment! I know I do!

Take care . . .
Lawrence Carroll
Lawrence Carroll
August 18, 2011
Free-Marketeer, your websites and your struggle with Altahama Electric Membership Corporation (EMC) giving a clear accounting with your grid-tie 10KW solar array were most illuminating, and remind me to some degree with my experience with Alabama Power Company (though not quite as bad).

One of the two solar installers that I know of here in Alabama told me that Alabama Power was much easier to work with than the local co-ops, and based on your experience with EMC I now see (I believe) more of what he was talking about! Nonetheless, the central problem you refer to - defining what constitutes a real "avoided cost" - still remains even with Alabama Power as well.

I haven't struggled with Alabama Power so much however, being happy just to finally have what I've always dreamed about - a solar, grid-tie (6 KW) system. During the first 9 or so months, the "avoided costs" were higher and during "peak" production periods I earned more money (I believe it was around 6-10 cents, gross), but for some mysterious reason Alabama Power lowered this later to a top payment of 4 cents! Thus, while originally I had to produce a "mere" surplus KWH of 3.5 times what I used (per month) to break even on my bill, I now must produce an excess of over 6 times what I use per month in KWH!

So yes, one wonders what "accounting procedures" are being used to determine the "avoided cost figures" indeed, especially when there is constant talk about the rising expense of producing electricity!

Some years ago when Bush was still president, Ralph Nader laughed and joked how the whole country seemed to be getting "Enron-itos," and I'm sure both the "altnernative left" as well as the "libertarian right" find quite a bit to relate to in that comment! I know I do!

Take care . . .
Lawrence Carroll
Lawrence Carroll
August 18, 2011
Free-Marketeer, your websites and your struggle with Altahama Electric Membership Corporation (EMC) giving a clear accounting with your grid-tie 10KW solar array were most illuminating, and remind me to some degree with my experience with Alabama Power Company (though not quite as bad).

One of the two solar installers that I know of here in Alabama told me that Alabama Power was much easier to work with than the local co-ops, and based on your experience with EMC I now see (I believe) more of what he was talking about! Nonetheless, the central problem you refer to - defining what constitutes a real "avoided cost" - still remains even with Alabama Power as well.

I haven't struggled with Alabama Power so much however, being happy just to finally have what I've always dreamed about - a solar, grid-tie (6 KW) system. During the first 9 or so months, the "avoided costs" were higher and during "peak" production periods I earned more money (I believe it was around 6-10 cents, gross), but for some mysterious reason Alabama Power lowered this later to a top payment of 4 cents! Thus, while originally I had to produce a "mere" surplus KWH of 3.5 times what I used (per month) to break even on my bill, I now must produce an excess of over 6 times what I use per month in KWH!

So yes, one wonders what "accounting procedures" are being used to determine the "avoided cost figures" indeed, especially when there is constant talk about the rising expense of producing electricity!

Some years ago when Bush was still president, Ralph Nader laughed and joked how the whole country seemed to be getting "Enron-itos," and I'm sure both the "altnernative left" as well as the "libertarian right" find quite a bit to relate to in that comment! I know I do!

Take care . . .
Jim Lindsey
Jim Lindsey
August 15, 2011
Paradigm:
You make an interesting point about thermal storage. You are so correct in realizing that power companies do not want to give up too much control. The PV applications only address the independence issue when the sun is shining, unless of course you want to invest is an expensive array of batteries.

I can't compete from an economic standpoint with a gas water heater but can show a payback period of 5 years if replacing an electric heater.

Few take into consideration the kilowatts they buy are with after-tax dollars;yet, any kilowatts "harvested," are tax free.

"Point Of Use" power will one day replace a need for the arcaic method we now usilize in powering our homes. Surely power companies will do all they can to delay this process. They have a way of projecting themselves as existing for the good of the people.
Banks and insurance companies (two of our largest money grubbers) have successfully profited using that ploy for years.
Gerry Wootton
Gerry Wootton
August 15, 2011
In many cases, it's more remunerative to simply use local generation to reduce demand and displace the purchase energy cost than to accept the dimished remuneration that a net metering scheme might provide. As has been said, you have to do the math.
Demand charges also raise the economic bar for residential power management systems and local storage. In most cases, required storage capacity is less than 25% of daily consumption. But don't expect the local power authority to be 'helpful' when it comes to implementing such a solution. In North America in particular, it is 'interesting' how many utilities are using non-standard protocols for communicating metering and rate data. In my particular case, the smart meter that I paid for with MY money (not an optional expenditure) has the standard WiFi interface disabled.
Robert Tilden
Robert Tilden
August 13, 2011
There is one place where (new) solar energy operations and "Clever Accounting" provide a real and major benefit to the consumer / tax payer - purchasing solar generation equipment where the TAX SAVINGS COVER THE COST and puts cash in the tax payers' pockets - even immediately: Tax Credit of 100% plus deductions: powertaxcredit.com
Tim Dolan
Tim Dolan
August 11, 2011
@ doggydogworld,
Actually yes the electric companies should have to bear some of the costs. however, nobody I know gets a free hookup from the power company (except the meter and the final connection). They have to pay for any lines installed from the grid to the house or business.

And if there were enough rooftop solar, then individual clouds are not a problem for the grid. It is only massive solar arrays that can cause problems. And even this can be mitigated with capacitors.

The electric companies must change from energy producers to energy assurance companies. They maintain the grid and ensure power gets to where it is needed by various customers. During the day power goes from homes to industries and businesses that need it. At night, then they provide the large energy storage/production needed to supply homes and late night businesses. The overall result is less energy produced by the electric companies, but hopefully more stable grids and less peak power problems for most. The electric companies were allowed a monopoly because of practical necessity. the only actual necessity remaining is that of maintaining the grid.
Tim Dolan
Tim Dolan
August 11, 2011
This article has helped me understand what Dominion power is currently trying to do in Virginia. Currently residential use is limited to 10kW renewable energy systems (wind or solar in this case). While at this time, I only have a 8.1kW system, I plan on adding more in the future and see no reason not to.
The good part is there is a proposal to up the residential to 20kW (I think it should be a 50kW as that is probably the reasonable limit based on my house versus looking at NREL.gov lab tests over the past 10 years versus available panels).
moving it to 20kW is at least an improvement.

However, the bad part is Dominion is trying to implement a "Standby tariff" for anyone over 10kW. They already have this for all commercial installations (and we don't have very many of those and I suspect why now). It sounds like something identical to the demand fee in the article.

Meanwhile, currently and even if Dominion gets there way right now. The only fee I pay is a line charge, which is a fixed fee of $8.54 per month (of which $1.54 is taxes) The fee is for maintaining the grid - so if actually fairly set, I believe it is a fair charge even with my solar PV providing and offset of 100% of my electricity through net metering. In other words, below 10kW net metering is working like it is supposed to in Virginia right now, but doesn't and won't above that level.
Mind you there are no real incentives in Virginia, but at least net metering is okay below 10kW.

At least I am not in Georgia, where I am told there is no net metering.
Michael Mayhew
Michael Mayhew
August 11, 2011
doggydogworld- Maine is quite far North, but we're still connected to the grid. Back 25 years ago when I first worked for Maine's largest power company, we were infact a winter peaking utility, but that was long ago. Maine's peak demand is in the summer, and has been for decades, as it is in most other northern states. The ISO-NE grid has a much larger and longer summer peak. The spring and fall night-time grid demand is tiny, and thus power is very cheap during this period.
With global climate change running unchecked, things will only get worse and thus the value of PV generated (peaking) electricity will increase. That will probably really annoy you more.
chris eddy
chris eddy
August 11, 2011
Dunnison - peak demand in cold weather states is typically a bit after dawn in mid-winter. How does that square with your "PV kWhs are more valuable" worldview?

This article annoys me. The general theme is the utility should spend a small fortune connecting to this customer, throttle their own generation back whenever the customer's PV array produces excess kWhs but stand ready to throttle it back up the instant the PV arrays falter (clouds, night, etc.), spend money to track this usage for billing services, pay people to stand ready to respond instantly to equipment failure and weather emergencies and do whatever else is necessary to assure the customer of a sufficient and uninterrupted flow of electrons in all circumstances, including failure of the customer's own PV array. Yet if that array is big enough that the excess daytime power matches their overall 24x7x365 usage then the customer should pay the utility nothing at all? Leaving the other customers to pay for all the expenses the utility incurs to serve this one PV customer?
ANONYMOUS
August 11, 2011
Couple of points to add:
Demand is indeed typically the worst case 15 minute peak POWER the Utility sees during each billing period. It is there to offset the cost of their infrastructure which must be sized to the worst case possible peak load on their system. It is often calculated as 100% of the KW (real Power) or 90% of the KVA (apparent Power) whichever is higher. This motivates larger users to correct Power Factor which is a measure of electrical efficiency (ratio of KW/KVA)above 90%. This can be done with capacitor banks or by installing more efficient equipment (high efficiency motors, varible speed drives which also decrease energy consumption). ROI for installing Power Factor Correction Capacitors (PFCC) is typically 5-7 years in most places in the USA. However, most California utilities do NOT have a decent demand charge on their bills so PFCC almost never makes economic sense there.
Second point is that many utilities change your rate structure when you install a PV array (especially for RESI <10KW projects) often ostensibly to recoup the cost of installing a bidirectional meter. The flat per month fee goes up and the KWh tiers are changed so that the utility has less of a negative revenue impact from the PV install.
I am reminded of the drought in Georgia a couple of years ago when everyone was encouraged to conserve water. The people of the state did a great job conserving only to have their water rates increased dramatically so that the water utilities did not see their revenue, which is largely used to maintain infrastructure (remember water itself is free), decline.
Michael Hogan
Michael Hogan
August 11, 2011
While solar PV is much more popular, using solar thermal is a good way to avoid these problems with the utilities.

I believe solar thermal is viewed as a very scary solar option to utilities companies because, unlike solar PV, all of the energy generated on-site STAYS on-site. It is noteworthy that many of these companies are not scared yet though. This is because solar thermal pricing isn't quite competitive yet and in most cases it's all about ROI (However, Paradigm Partners is working on standardizing the solar thermal project process - at least in Massachusetts - and is really starting to change that pricing structure to reach a state of competitiveness).

Anyways, as all of you well know, PV arrays provide a give-and-take system with utilities (net metering) and this gives utilities the ability to mess around with the numbers - as discussed in this blog post. However with solar thermal applications, all of the energy created is used - there is no tie-in with the grid.

Like i said, pretty scary for these utilities, and better for the end-user. It as a relief to know that they have no way of using these 'clever accounting' practices to alter the energy prices.
David Dunnison
David Dunnison
August 11, 2011
John, you really nailed the problem when you pointed out that "solar is actually worth far more".

The Minnesota utility is absolutely not providing apples-to-apples value. Or, more subtly, they are drawing a distinction about whose apples are being valued. Some sort of 'these are our apples, and those are your apples' distinction.

The Minnesota utility is getting a really, really good deal here.

Due to their 'obligation to serve', all utilities must follow electricity demand and provide peak power. Whether they buy peaking resources on the market, or run their generating assets to provide peak, they cannot avoid the economics.

Solar only works when the sun shines, but that is when we need peak. Turns out the sun rises and sets every day.

In fact, in a recent evaluation of new utility-scale hydro resources and current solar PV costs, solar comes out ahead when it is assessed on the actual value delivered.

http://d-bits.com/solar-less-expensive-than-hydro/

As many utilities purchase peaking power, it should be a simple matter for them to properly account for the value of solar PV. Ultimately, however, in some cases it may take some political and Utility Commission pressure for utilities to do what is actually best for them.
Ida Wong
Ida Wong
August 11, 2011
no one so far mentioned inflation. in 1 month's time my electricity bill would shot up 15%. so your 30 year pay back is grossly incorrect. keep track of your bill over the next 10 years and give us back a follow up. I wouldn't be surprised that your PV has already been paid off!
Howard Johnson
Howard Johnson
August 11, 2011
John,
You are correct on the analysis of Ft. Collins, CO. The energy provider there has not made it a favorable climate to install Solar. http://www.prpa.org/
In neighboring Greeley, CO, that is not the case, as Excel Energy is promoting solar. http://www.connectutilities.com/directory/services/XcelEnergy.html
And in AZ, where I live, SRP has done a good job of promoting solar: http://www.mpsaz.org/rmhs/staff/hljohnson/solar_information/
John Giannasca
John Giannasca
August 10, 2011
My head hurts! As an Aussie selling PV to Australian customers, I thought we had it bad with the different states having various net and gross tariffs and some having time of use billing and others not. Its obvious to me now. One nationally adopted system so that everyone knows what to do and how it will benefit them (or not). There is so much debate about the various incentives that renewables receive and how fair or unfair this is that we could do more with uniformity. I know that this goes against the free marklet laissez-faire philosophy, but I wonder how many tonnes of greenhouse gases we could reduce by just streamlining the system
Joel Davidson
Joel Davidson
August 10, 2011
Your clients can reduce their demand charge by managing their 15-minute rolling demand. The simplest method is to monitor and turn off loads manually or automatically when they reach your pre-selected demand. If your clients do not or can not turn off loads, they can generate power on-site to offset their demand. Several hospitals in California generate electricity using natural gas combustion engine/generators and co-generate heat with the engine cooling system for the hospital's hot water needs. Natural gas co-generators operate cleaner and cheaper and are more efficient than most utility generators.
James Desmond
James Desmond
August 10, 2011
This is a horrifically dense, tedious area. It took me over a year to get my local utility to party with me, as I was and remain its only Solar PV (10KW rooftop array) customer. I even wrote an online, open letter to them, and here's a sub-page on "avoided cost": https://sites.google.com/site/gridtiedsolarpv/home/defining-avoided-cost

Here's the open letter: https://sites.google.com/site/gridtiedsolarpv/home

Here's my array: https://picasaweb.google.com/115162333107690986192/A54KWHDay

And here's my blog on Solar Economics: https://sites.google.com/site/freemarketsolarpower/
Ralph Perez
Ralph Perez
August 10, 2011
One possible way to avoid the utility rip off. Purchase an electric vehicle. Charging the vehicle with solar could be done with the amount of electricity that the utility would normally buy back at their rip off rates.
If our gasoline fuel cost were $250 a month 250 x 12 = $3000 10 years = $30,000. Life of solar unit (25 years) = $75,000.
If the fuel cost was 1/2 of that then use $37,500 as a cost for the free energy of the sun that you would be receiving. Purchasing an electric vehicle with a swappable battery component might also be an advantage.
Jim Lindsey
Jim Lindsey
August 10, 2011
Could this be the reason power distributors are not bold on suggesting solar thermal(heating water) to their customers?

There must be a reason because "thermal" is more efficient that PV and has built in storage of energy, unlike solar electricity.
Marvin Hamon, P.E.
Marvin Hamon, P.E.
August 10, 2011
This just goes to show that net metering provisions are not defined on a national level in the US. They can vary down to even the individual utility. Know your local net metering rules and don't assume that the net metering you have access to is the same everyone else has access to.
Dave Del Grande
Dave Del Grande
August 10, 2011
Regarding the comments about demand charges, you have to remember that demand charges are based on KW not KWhrs. The cost is calculated on the hightest 15 minute interval over the course of the billing period.

For example, a company shuts down for 30 day and opens up on the 31st day, turns on all their equipment at once for 15 minutes and gets slammed with a demand charge that from my experience will normal represent 15 to 35% of their electric bill. In this case, since they're only open one day of the billing period it will be close to 100%.

That's why,as one commentor mentioned, you have to size a large enough solar system to elimate the demand charges and as a result qualify to change from a demand charge tariff rate to one that does not have demand charges. - For PG&E that would be from an A10 or voluntary E19 to an A6.

Easier said than done but possible.
Michael Mayhew
Michael Mayhew
August 10, 2011
In response to a couple of the replies, we are required to install separate meters for the PV's system and thus this energy can not be credited for reducing coinsident facility demand charges, which I believe goes against the intent of net metering, thus greatly devaluing the solar electricity.
My customers install solar systems for a variety of reasons, only a few purely for economics. As this article clearly points out, the economics are not great based on the net metering cashflow. Luckily a few early adapters are environmentally conscience and there is also some 'green marketing' advantages, along with the tax credits and special depreciation treatment that help seal the deals, but as is the market is limitted to progressive companies.
Benjamin Gorman
Benjamin Gorman
August 10, 2011
@Anonymous/comment 4:

The cost of a stand-alone (off-grid) system will actually be higher, not lower, than grid-tied. In order to use the power generated by the PV, it must be rendered into a useful form, which is almost always going to be AC, and it must be made secure from the intermittency of sunlight-- i.e., what happens when a cloud passes over the array? A stand-alone system will typically have expensive batteries AND inverters-- just not grid-tied inverters.
John DAngelo
John DAngelo
August 10, 2011
Residential customers can easily go off grid with using energy Super Energy Efficient Appliances (SEEA) and RE energy to create your hot water and heating. What you have left is just refrigeration, lights and entertainment equipment. All very east to operate using a PV array. Toss in some life time batteries (NiFe) and you have can easily "unplug" and keep all your hard earned money. Commercial operation on the other hand generally use enormous amounts of power which are not 'storage friendly' and therefore most commercial operations will not be able to go 'off grid' because of the extra cost of energy storage.
ANONYMOUS
August 10, 2011
Correct me if I'm wrong, but for a company that uses their power during the day and has a bi-directional meter, the solar will most definitely affect their demand charge. Someone whose solar produces half of their power, if they can control it, can make sure to use equipment with a very high draw at peak times for solar. The meter will only show the demand for what is being drawn from the grid, not the total amount from the grid and solar combined.
ANONYMOUS
August 10, 2011
Go off-grid. Don't give the utilities one penny of your hard earned money.
ANONYMOUS
August 10, 2011
It seems that people or businesses that decide to install PV systems should really do some more homework. If you know your payback time is 20 or 30 years (given the life of the panels) why are there still investments in this?

Additionally, depending on the type of business (peak use time) it may be beneficial for a PV user in these states to forget grid connecting their PV panels, use the electricity produced to power part of their operations and reduce their overall consumption from the grid. Not only is their generation valued at actual cost to company this way but the investment is lower as there is no need for grid syncronized inverters if you use the power youself.
Michael Mayhew
Michael Mayhew
August 10, 2011
Here in Maine, it's similar to this Minnesota case. We have fairly expensive electric rates, but the demand portion is not covered by net metering. Residential and small commercial (<25 kW) customers are not charged demand, so they make out better, but mid and large commercial customers get stuck with a net metering credit in the 5 cents/kWh range when their actual average electric rates are about three times that. Once the federal tax credit and depreciation treatment are factored in the typical paybacks for PVs are about 6-7 years (not 3).
greg collins
greg collins
August 10, 2011
first of all, utility rates vary greatly and don't take this Minnisota case as being the general case. Yes, demand charges are a tough nut for solar and make it hard for a business to justify solar. There are often alternative rates though that don't have these charges. Also a problem is negative tiered rates where the base rate is high, but the marginal rate is low. On the plus side for businesses though are double declining depreciation allowances. Typical situation for a business account around here is 3 year payback using all the available incentives. Even that is too long for most owners to tie up their cash.
Tam Hunt
Tam Hunt
August 9, 2011
John, California has similar rules with respect to demand charges, as a general rule, but there is additional flexibility to change one's tariff to allow solar or other on-site renewables to offset more of the demand charges than otherwise would be the case. Check out Clean Power Finance's solar PV calculator for the various ways to work with actual utility tariffs to get the best deal for commercial customers. Paybacks for commercial systems in CA can be as low as a few years for high tariff customers, but it's imperative that the installer figure out the best tariff for each customer.

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