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Clean, Safe Nuclear: Why We Don't Have It...Yet

By Thomas Blakeslee
July 5, 2011   |   17 Comments

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1 of 17
July 5, 2011
Hi:

Nice idea but when the word Nuke appears in the USA formula, bombs must be included. Movements often get highjacked. Look at the Tea party. It started out with a good concept and looked what happened. They made a deal with the devil for money (Koch brothers, etc.) and now Texas tea is its reality.
It makes far more sustainable sense to tap the energy sources directly, sun, wind, hydro, geo and use non fuel based storage to balance loads and generation capacity.
There is plenty of energy available for us at the level of the Electron, without disturbing Protons and Neutrons for everyday living.

.....Bill
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2 of 17
July 6, 2011
In Feb 2011, China announced that it plans to mass-produce and export thousands of transportable Thorium LFTR units which will gradually replace coal-fired boilers in existing electricity plants worldwide. This announcement will drastically change the whole 'carbon price' debate.
Quoting the Vs20 group..
"These small power plants will also solve the final hurdles for a massive adoption of Electric Vehicles.
1. Abundant 'carbon free' electricity. (A fifth the price of coal-fired)
2. Local generation of the enormous amount of electricity required by millions of electric vehicles. Few realize how many 'megawatt hours' are in a tank of gas/petrol!
3. Local generation also solves the problem of our reliance on a massive National Grid. And that our existing grid is NOT remotely capable of powering electric vehicles! And the fact that a single ice-storm can black-out 50 million people!
The world has been waiting 50 years for someone with enough money to perfect these reactors.
It is ironic that many Senators in the USA have died of old age while trying to lobby for Thorium funding. One little announcement from China and everything changes!
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3 of 17
July 6, 2011
Bill I agree that we should take the free energy offered by nature but that takes a lot of work and a lot of resources. Wind, for example uses a lot of steel and energy in its construction and then we need ugly and expensive power lines to get the power to the customer. LENR can produce the power where it is needed. Vehicles can produce their own power without massive batteries and recharging. A nickel coin has enough nickel to produce 2.5 megawatt-hours on real reactors of today, so fuel consumption is almost zero. LENR may actually be more sustainable than many renewable technologies in the long run.
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4 of 17
July 6, 2011
I agree. Power generation should should be distributed, where it is needed. Those gigawatt nuclear plants produce so much waste heat that it must be thrown away by heating up a river or ocean. With distributed power, generation is put where heat is needed so the waste heat can be put to good use. I am not advocating anything like the nuclear power plants of today. LENR is clean, safe and radiation-free and can be sized to the application.
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Anonymous
July 8, 2011
Tom Blakeslee writes: "The result has been that practical ideas for clean, safe nuclear power on a human scale have been sabotaged by the "big science" nuclear influence. Perhaps the worst example was the fraudulent rejection of Fleishman and Pons 1989 "cold fusion" announcement. MIT actually altered data in their failure to replicate the experiment to keep alive their millions of dollars of hot fusion contracts."

and: "The richest, most powerful physicists and universities are essentially owned by the nuclear complex."

There comments strike me as a bit paranoid. One of the many problems with Fleishman and Pons' work was that they chose to make oversized claims in a press conference. This is a strategy that continues to this day with Rossi holding publicity stunts instead of publishing his findings. Scientific publications require that work be described in sufficient detail that a competent researcher should be able to replicate it. After the initial announcement a great many groups tried to reproduced the announced results with very little success. The notion that MIT intensionally suppressed a report of successful replication is unproven and highly dubious. I doubt very much that anyone at MIT thought there was any truth to the claims--perhaps they were wrong, but there is a large difference between honest mistakes and a conspiracy. LOTS of groups found fault for the initial reports.

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Anonymous
July 8, 2011
I note also that the cold fusion crowd has not lacked for funding for their work. Pons and Fleishman relocated to a corporate lab in France and received millions of dollars for their work and several other groups also found funding over the last two decades. These workers attend conferences and publish papers--they have not been run out of the field. Unfortunately, these workers have tended to focus on perfecting excess heat measurements rather than trying to understand the underlying process and providing additional types of evidence.
22 years is a long time to work on something and still have no credible underlying theory. Rossi claims that his process changes macroscopic quantities of Ni into Cu. Elemental analysis would be easy to perform and would be an unambiguous signature of a nuclear process. You would think that in the last 22 years someone would have conducted such a study, but if they have I have not seen it. The hot fusion groups publish their findings whereas the cold fusion crowd seems intent on keeping trade secrets. Naturally, one is not required to share proprietary information, but if you want to retain trade secrets you don't have the right to kvetch that you don't get public funding or that your work is not viewed as credible.
Steven
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7 of 17
July 8, 2011
anon represents the typical scientist who has heard from others that cold fusion could never be replicated but has never taken the trouble to read any facts for himself. His arguments make it quite clear that he didn't bother to click on the references I provided in the article. For example, if he just clicked on "MIT" he would find a paper written by Dr Eugene Mallove, who resigned from the MIT publications office when he discovered earlier drafts of the MIT paper with different data clearly showing excess heat. There are even photocopies of both versions.
Likewise he seems to be unaware of any replications even though I linked to one of the hundreds that have been published. Being unaware doesn't mean much when you denial keeps you from reading anything.
You can start by reading the links on the things you are disagreeing on before shooting off your mouth.
Also, there are plenty of theories to explain LENRs but it will take a while to get agreement. It doesn't help when all of the major journals smugly reject all articles mentioning LENR.
22 years isn't very long compared to the 60 years hot fusion has failed to even achieve break-even. They did make a good theory though. I'll take useful power over theories any day.
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8 of 17
July 8, 2011
Ya, I wish someone could prove the physics of LENR. Until such, i believe in national and international grids powered by:
Thorium as in liquid fluoride thorium reactors.
Depleted uranium as in Integral fast reactors.
Spent fuel in both of the above.
GaAs and LiFePO4, which is the perfect solar option given that advanced machine automation is developed in order to make all of the 25-30% NASA style cells, all of the mirror dish parts needed to amplify hundreds of 'suns' in order to conserve the rare gallium, and, of course, all the parts of the LiFePO4 battery, which should be a perfect 24/7 electricity provider.

Robotics will do all these things... It will be up to the humans to install the BILLIONS of dishes, battery systems and power lines... which are just beautiful to me :)

Edit: I am reading about the NEV's that Thomas linked too. I am shocked to think that LENR can be proved by lightning and that 'everybody' covered it up. These thoughts normally make me dismiss things like LENR, but as the proven science also proves, nothing will ever come from it because there is no money in it. A good example is all the other good and clean energy sources noted above. OBVIOUSLY, they were killed too, the only difference, we all knew that they could work!
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Anonymous
July 8, 2011
Blakeslee has inaccurate assumptions in his comment #8:
1) I have seen the Mallove article. Data in drafts are revised all the time as analysis is improved or errors are caught. It isn't clear if this was a good faith revision or an intensional distortion. My point is that LOTS of groups attempted to reproduce the initial reports and results were highly variable. The world did not and does not depend on MIT as the sole arbitrator of the truth. Difficulties by many groups in reproducing the initial findings are not due to a conspiracy--that is paranoid nonsense--and doubts are entirely reasonable when many groups reported problems.

2) Blakeslee erroneously assumes I am unaware of other possibly credible reports confirming observations of excess heat. 22 years is a long time not to have come up with more convincing evidence. Rossi claims to be have been producing macroscopic quantities of Cu from Ni for several years now. That would be very convincing if demonstrated, but he doesn't want to tell us the super secret way he prepares his samples or let anyone else verify this claim. If Rossi is right, it is his unwillingness to fully and properly report his findings that is holding back the field, not a conspiracy from the hot fusion groups.

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Anonymous
July 8, 2011
3) Even if cold fusion is a valid result, it is not clear that it would be a commercial source of energy. The notion that we should defund the hot fusion programs that are based on sound theories and which may one day achieve a major breakthrough based on Rossi's unsubstantiated claims is strange. Blakeslee writes: "Our energy policy has been hijacked by powerful interests, groupthink and denial." The fact is that cold fusion workers have been well funded for decades even though progress--if any--has been quite slow in coming. This is inconsistent with the notion that the field has been hijacked. Scientific standards require that reports be accompanied by evidence. Rossi's press conference parlor tricks do not constitute this and only the irrational would determine energy policy based on such antics.
Steven
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11 of 17
July 8, 2011
Anonymous, So what if LENR isn't completely and thoroughly documented, ALL GOOD SOURCES will be killed anyways! Proof is that we still live in a dinosaur age when in fact, congress killed the IFR, the LFTR, the automated machinery to make NASA style GaAS/dish systems. Proof is that now, half the people are being brainwashed into thinking that clean energy is bad for the 'going to crumble anyways' economy...
And we should not defund hot fusion, just lower it and instead fund the development of advanced machine automation (for the solar thing). Why? Because ONLY the diffuse sources can sustain jobs in our robotic evolution. Laws can not be created against such robotics because that would do the same thing as a carbon tax... simply drive the rest of the jobs overseas!

I doubt that huminoid type robots will be developed any time soon, therefore, all contracting and most installations will still be done by humanity :)
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12 of 17
July 9, 2011
Let us not forget, all fuel comes from a nuclear source, the Sun. But using nuclear reactions here on Earth is a dangerous situation. That is why our true nuclear source is 93 million miles away.
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13 of 17
July 9, 2011
anon You are demonstrating how denial works and it is frightening. Now you have glanced at the Mallove link but not really read it. Please look at the two versions of the graph and try to see that the newer one is clearly a fabrication to make the result negative. It is the elephant under the rug that you cannot see.
Also how about the headline story that MIT arranged to appear on the day of the big APS meeting where Caltech got a standing ovation for their, later discredited, failure to replicate.
I hate to repeat myself but 60 years and tens of billion dollars with no usable result except a theory is hardly comparable to 22 years with a few million financing that produces a useful product.
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Anonymous
July 9, 2011
Tom: Of course I have seen the shift in the zero of the plot; it is a clear change, whether or not it is a clear fabrication depends on the intension of the authors. It isn't clear if they were attempting to correct for what they thought to be an earlier plotting or analysis error or intensionally skewing the results. Misrepresenting data is a serious crime but this is a separate issue; the MIT data was but one of many reports that occurred shortly after the 89 Cold Fusion press conference that suggested problems. If MIT and Caltech and all the other big programs had reported they could not replicate the data and several other groups had all shown consistent success the world would have focused on the successes. It wasn't a conspiracy that halted the cold fusion bonfire--it was the very tenuous nature of the claims of small and hard-to-accurately-measure amounts of excess heat and the failure of a great many groups to observe these effects. Possibly if the original authors had done a better job of documenting their original work, had published their work before holding a press conference filled with sensational claims, and better defended their claims afterward there might have been a different result--assuming this is a real effect.

The cold fusion groups have been well funded for 22 years in spite of very limited results. If our energy policy was really dominated by "groupthink" they would have been defunded years ago. Instead these workers were given ample resources and plenty of time to attempt to prove their case.
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Anonymous
July 9, 2011
Rossi is going around making very dramatic claims. If what he says is true it would be very easy to prove--producing Cu from Ni in large amounts (something he says he has been doing for some years now)--would be an unambiguous demonstration that the cold fusion results are real. Instead he chooses to engage in press conferences featuring weird demonstrations using unidentified materials. If you act like a charlatan you should not be surprised if people doubt your unsubstantiated claims. I am surprised you find such behavior acceptable.

You say I am guilty of denial, but of what? All I am saying is that the cold fusion work has not been suppressed by a conspiracy, as you claim, but that it has merely failed to make a convincing case. The burden of proof is always on those making the claims. It would be entirely unreasonable to defund the hot fusion programs based on unproven claims of other processes. Even if these claims are true, it isn't obvious that the process will prove useful.
Steven
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16 of 17
July 9, 2011
Steven The claims were no more tenuous than early semiconductor work which took decades of work to get reliable results.
Rossi is not a physicist. He is an engineer and businessman. In the world of business secrets are kept and there is no obligation to explain inner workings to the competition.
A recent theoretical paper from Purdue may shed some light on the theory. First on the list here:
http://www.physics.purdue.edu/people/faculty/yekim.shtml
A good theory would be nice but, since we still don't have a good theory for permanent magnetism it shouldn't stop us.
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July 18, 2011
Lane Tech is Accredited in making or Producing more PhD.s Doctor of Philosophy then any other School on Earth.
All that go there and that have gone there know why it is called the School of Champions. For many years i have helped students there at Lane and i am very proud of it. My father and older brother and me also went there.

My Mother holds six PhD.s The News Papers said bearer of five PhD.s so they were one off. For All you City Dudes and thinkers that are still a little off, i am asking you to just open your eyes and do a little search for knowledge and to look for the Truth. That is very easy to do today as to 50 years ago.

SOLAR ENERGY has more then Doubled this last year. Solar energy is now one of the fastest growing industries in the
United States and the World. So why do some still live in Denial that this is happening. They can not admit that their
way of thinking is not health. As to like the lie the tobacco industry played to all in the 1940's through the 1960's now
no one doubts the truth and facts Smoking clearly caused cancer to smokers and there children that lived with them.
But some that smoke still live in denial and think it will not cut short their life, Like many self interest groups and scientist that keep pushing Nuclear Energy.

You want to help plant a tree or two and cut the power to the power grid and install solar Energy on your home
office and car ports. If to poor to do so encourage others to do so and tell your Government Leaders to use it
on all new Government buildings. Solar and Wind and Renewable Energy.

Every body needs a little Encouragement from time to time or now and then. Do not be Bitter be helpful to others.

GOD Bless you all

Adviser to Government Scientist

The Lord's Little Helper

Paul Felix Schott
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