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Value of Solar Power Far Exceeds the Electricity

By John Farrell
June 24, 2011   |   7 Comments

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1 of 7
June 26, 2011
John,

Good article and agree with much of the analysis here. I have a net zero house I built in upstate NY a couple of years back (5.5kw PV, geo heat pump, etc) with no fossil fuels on site. We achieved net zero in our first full (normal) year even in this cold climate thanks to our DX geo and PV.

One thing of note is that the value "paid" by utilities is more nuanced then you cover here (at least in NYS). When I'm generating and sending back to the grid, I build credits above and beyond what I'm using with the utility (Central Hudson). Those credits are then used first when I'm drawing more than generating (winter). Those are 1-1 kws just like if I were paying for them. Thus, I'm realizing the full utility value for that kw (btw .10-.15 in general) not the avoidance or wholesale price. As you know, there's loss in the grid in both directions. I get credits based on my meter reading (minimal loss from my PV) and thus the utility is paying a pretty steep rate for my credit kws (possibly 30-40% above retail).

If, at the end of my annual cycle, I have credits remaining, I'm paid at the wholesale (avoidance) energy price. The logic being I'm still using the grid for distribution and thus don't get credit for that. I'm totally fine with that and think that system works for all.

If we insisted on utils paying retail it would be economically unfeasible for them and raise prices for all. This would just make them antagonistic toward renewables instead of partners.

-Andy
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2 of 7
June 26, 2011
One other thing, I agree that the tax credit system is ultimately financed by taxpayers and inefficient in the long term/at scale. However, without those, the transition would never be made due to the high up front cost of installing renewables (and even with credits you still have to front the money and it can take 2-3 years to recover your credits depending on income still making it the domain of the well-off and determined). However, I see this as the role of gov't: help bridge major transitions when economically there's little incentive for the private sector to do it.

Now that we're starting to scale its time for the private sector to take over and then phase out the tax credits once it hits scale. This is most likely going to happen via the PV leasing programs some utilities and private players are implementing. That's a great program and happy to see both Google and GE getting behind it. A win-win for all involved.

At the end of the day, those doing it on principle are a small group (<10%). To get to scale, it has to be based on economic fundamentals which makes sense for the masses (80%). And then there's always the wingnut peak oil/environmental deniers who will resist but ultimately leach off the others (10%).

Great site BTW that I just came across and will read regularly now.
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3 of 7
June 28, 2011
Reasonable points, John. This article hasn't touched upon the societal benefits of an environmentally benign power source that replaces "burn-tec" and "nuke-tec" with clearer air and water for all. It is very difficult to quantify the medical costs that will not be required from living in a healthier environment. Understandably, the corporate world only responds to their own bottom line, and sick people are very profitable in the free market medical world of the USA.
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Anonymous
June 28, 2011
Let's play make-believe for a moment. Let's believe that back in the late 1600s, when the carbon-fired steam engine was coming of age, someone had actually invented the solar panel. And by the late 1800s, when Edison was honing his light bulb, electricity as people knew then and as we know now pretty much came from solar panels, batteries, flywheels, etc.

In this make-believe world, by the early 2000s, solar-powered electricity would be cheaper than dirt-cheap coal-fired electricity because 300 years of development and "the many ways that distributed solar adds value beyond electrons".

I wonder then, if today someone came with the awesome idea to convert carbon into electricity, plus all the detriments associated with that conversion, if we'd jump into it head first. It's rhetorical. The answer is no.

Back to reality and the real world, some 300 years ago carbon fuel came of age and EVERYTHING was possible. Thank you, carbon fuel. Today there's an opportunity to transition to something better, cleaner, cheaper, that retains the same number of jobs (if not more), and politics and pundits are the obstacles.

Go figure.

VMH
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5 of 7
June 28, 2011
While this may be true in theory, try explaining to a bank or VC how you are going to recoup this money. While the social value in terms of less carbon, no mercury, renewable ... is well known, you can expect the bought off politicians to fight it tooth and nail (see Republicans Filibuster Bill To Repeal Oil Subsidies
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/republicans-filibuster-bill-to-repeal-oil-subsidies.php ).

One of the parties simply ignore the science on global warming and anything with a label of carbon is garenteed to be fillibustered. The solar industry will have to make it without any monetary support for Social Value. Ironically, I still think that within three years solar will be a significant (over 25 to 30%) producer of energy. This is based on the recent records by Alta Devices single junction record of 27.6% and Solar Junctions 43.5% multi-junction record (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PVeff(rev110408U).jpg ). Concentrators are already below grid in multiple locations, also new technology like the Rainbow Concentrator by Sol Solution may also increase the efficiency.
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6 of 7
June 28, 2011
Batteries, then, as now would be the deal breaker. How to get power to motive machinery in concentrated ways. Petro fuel is a dense energy carrier, and easier for simple minds to burn and explode. It has been an interesting interim energy carrier, and it seems now that era is nearing an end. All this past century not much has been done to improve storage batteries.
Even today, we really need home sized devices to make several tons equivalent cooling from solar heating storage. Heating from solar is easy and cheap, but AC is more complicated. We have small refridgeration units, but bigger for living space cooling is whats needed now.
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7 of 7
June 28, 2011
Your article discussed a topic close to something I am loosely trying to research on, however your grid costs seem wrong based on the data available to me.

I am trying to find out what the true and actual across the board Net Metering balance is for the power company I am tied into (Dominion Virginia). They are arguing that Net Metering is unfair to them, but in that argument they use the lowest base cost for generating electricity itself. They ignore the higher peak load costs which at times can be actually higher then the annual average retail cost of the electricity and as you have somewhat captured they avoid the grid avoidance costs.
And somewhat finally the generation facility costs.

In my use of Net Metering, I note that I pay a "line' Fee which in theory is the cost of maintaining the line to my house. It should match the cost of maintaining the grid and reliable energy to my house.

So I provide energy when it is nominally the most expensive for them to buy and I get it when it is closest to their base cost. What I have been trying to find out is what is the true balance including peak costs (generation and facility), grid upgrade/maintenance avoided and other factors to give a fair accounting of Net Metering.

If my line fee is actually representative of maintaining the grid and infrastructure, then it makes up a very small percentage of what was my energy bill before I installed solar. Approximately 15% of the total. While the OPs chart shows it being closer to 3 times what the electricity generation costs are and that can't be correct. Either I am being under-charged for the line fee or the estimate above for the grid is wrong. Sadly I don't know which it is.
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