Recent Activity About Blog Press Releases Calendar Products Feeds Contact
 

Solar Fred in Shanghai - First Impressions

By Tor 'Solar Fred' Valenza
May 10, 2011   |   15 Comments

Do you like this blog post?

Email   Bookmark Bookmark   Print   Share
 

The information and views expressed in this blog post are solely those of the author and not necessarily those of RenewableEnergyWorld.com or the companies that advertise on this Web site and other publications. This blog was posted directly by the author and was not reviewed for accuracy, spelling or grammar.

15 Reader Comments
Comment
1 of 15
May 10, 2011
Thanks Tor!
Appreciate the update on your amazing trip in China. Glad you brought up what your Chinese friend's perception with Solar in the world. It is very important to clearly understand what the younger generation thinks about Solar. Hope you can bring back some amazing pics from China for all of us to see. Looking forward to your next post. We will be tweeting your updates for yah!
Comment
2 of 15
May 10, 2011
All the laptops hear in Canada all brands are manufactured in China and they are of very good quality. China has many Solar Module manufacturers whose modules are even bankable in Germany and the costs are very close to $1/Wp. If you get a chance please visit the QS Solar factory also. China produces large quantity of Off grid Solar LED Lamps and Solar Torch lights with LED lamps which are very low in price. These should find good markets in the developing nations. Best wishes for your trip to China and please write about all these things you see there personally.
No image available
Comment
3 of 15
Anonymous
May 11, 2011
If quality is improved India is going to be 50,000 Mw market . As far as marketing is concerned make an imaginative movies like we are planning to do in India soon. Hollywood/ Bollywood/ Tollywood should take lead..
Contact me for Theme and script!
alokmisr23@rediffmail.com
It is so funny you will double up laughing- but you will get the message!
Comment
4 of 15
May 11, 2011
Fred -

I agree with you. I'm in Shanghai frequently (as an airline pilot) and the lack of solar is evident. I recently visited a wind generator facility, manufacturing in China and was impressed, because I learned they had a US franchise. I'm skeptical to buy solar moduals for my (Kuyper Solar) US business because of the lack of quality, but their price is tempting. I'll be following your route and blogs!

Paul
No image available
Comment
5 of 15
Anonymous
May 11, 2011
As Clee stated, they will deliver what the customer wants. You want cheap? You'll get cheap. You are willing to pay more and expect quality? They'll give you quality.

I think the car industry is a good example. They know Americans expect quality in this industry, and they have learned from the Hyundai fiasco from the 80s. They will introduce their cars here when they know they can perform to our standards.
Comment
6 of 15
May 11, 2011
Tor,

Very interesting. I'm looking forward to your reporting! Free Hot Water does not have any panels available that are made in China because of the lack of quality. I agree with Paul that the price is tempting. Have a safe trip, keep up the good work!

Paul
Comment
7 of 15
May 11, 2011
Tor
When I started working for a renewable wholesaler back in 2006 we began stocking Suntech solar modules. It took some time for our customers to get used to buying/installing Chinese-made modules, but some got used to it, as many liked the price. We have since stopped stocking them. Although there are some bankable Chinese-made modules (Suntech, Yingli and Trina come to mind) many of our customers prefer tried-and-true US-made SolarWorld and Japanese-made Kyocera panels. I guess it depends in the end user ... in general residential tend to be more price sensitive, whereas commercial/govt tend to be more quality/bankability sensitive.
Happy travels
Andrew
Comment
8 of 15
May 11, 2011
Fred:
I was under the impression that 90% of China's homes had solar water heaters.
Enjoy your trip.

Jim Lindsey
Comment
9 of 15
May 11, 2011
Tollywood???
Comment
10 of 15
May 11, 2011
My experience has been that in China you get what you pay for, surprise, and you must be vigilant because someone will almost always be trying to slip you an inferior product to the one you specified so they can pocket the difference.

I know a guy who ordered a container load of PV modules from China several years ago and got a real good deal. When they arrived there were some problems with the performance and it turned out that the manufacturer had run out of cells so they put a couple of photocopied pictures of cells in each module to make it look like they were all there. It was surprisingly hard to tell from looking at them. They had his money and he had a storage building full of modules that he can't do anything with. Buyer beware.

The other thing you have to look at is not just the quality of the PV modules you are buying but the whole supply chain of parts that make up the modules. PV cells manufactured without regard for the environmental hazards of the process are cheaper to make than cells where the hazardous waste is properly handled. Do you want to by buying PV modules the manufacture of which resulted in hazardous waste being dumped in a field next to the plant? Do you want that news coming out connecting your company to an environmental disaster? Do you think the government in China is looking out for the environment? Keep an eye on that supply chain.
Comment
11 of 15
May 11, 2011
Marvin, as usual, you are a solar sage. The gist of all of your warninngs have been told to me by other locals here during my trip. Trina is also aware however and addressed thess issues on our tour. Stay tuned for future posts...
Comment
12 of 15
May 11, 2011
Don't forget a full report on the karaoke bars too.
No image available
Comment
13 of 15
Anonymous
May 12, 2011
Fred,
I use Trina Yingli CSI and other Tier 1's they all work fine.
Furthermore we test them, side by side against top German and Japanese modules. From a production perspective they are all very very close.

Going to factory proves nothing its a show, what they ship means everything.
There are no solar police inside of containers.

Like mention in a earlier post, drop in on a few top Tier 2 near Shanghai( 3hours) they are hungry and produce modules similar quality modules.
Eging
Sunlink
Jinko
many more
This is reporting...the real story. I have dealing with China for 18 years. There are good and bad everywhere ! Most keep there word and ship what is contracted for.
The story is.. will other module manufactures survive!
No image available
Comment
14 of 15
Anonymous
May 13, 2011
Now I intend to say that the story is real to a large extent I have deleted it.
Comment
15 of 15
May 6, 2012
thank you marvin:) I have been offered cheap chinese solar panels but have decided to go japanese quality.hey bit more expense but as the old adage goes ya get what ya pay for !!!
Add Your Comment

Registered users, please make sure to Sign-In. We and others want to know your ideas and opinions. If you are not yet Registered -- it's quick and easy. Just click below.
Thanks!

Register Now   Sign-In

UnThink Solar

View UnThink Solar's Profile
About: UnThink Solar is a strategic solar marketing and communications company. Clients include Panasonic, One Block Off the Grid, Free Hot Water and other solar PV an... more »
World's #1 Renewable Energy Network
PennWell
Renewable Energy World Magazine International Renewable Energy World Conference & Expo North America Renewable Energy World Conference & Expo Europe Renewable Energy World Conference & Expo Asia Renewable Energy World Conference & Expo India Renewable Energy World Conference & Expo Africa
RenewableEnergyWorld.com Solar Power Gen Conference & Expo Hydro Review Magazine Hydro Review World Magazine
HydroVision International HydroVision Brazil HydroVision India HydroVision Russia
Twitter Facebook Linked In RSS Feeds e-Newsletters