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Energy Solutions So Good Even Climate Skeptics Can’t Say No

By Jon Coifman
April 6, 2011   |   14 Comments

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1 of 14
April 7, 2011
"Rather, it is that if RGGI is good enough for him, it is plenty good for the rest of us."

How does the subsidy benefit Koch? It's MIT that sucks the govt teat. Koch is a philanthropist, you greenies are parasites.
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2 of 14
April 8, 2011
IggyDalrymple

What do you mean by "greenies" in "you greenies are parasites"?

There are so many "Greenies" that it is hard to guess exactly which type you have in mind or you mean "all greenies are the same".
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3 of 14
April 8, 2011
@ Dimitar - Don't feed the troll! Anyone who uses the phrase "sucks at the govt teat" is obviously not going to see ANY good in anything that benefits anyone other than themselves. The fact that the US government in particular (I assume that's where the troll is from - it's such a US phrase) hands out massively overbudgeted, no-bid government contracts to all their buddies in big business (halliburton, lockheed martin, blackwater, bechtel etc etc etc) is absolutely FINE! Those companies aren't "sucking at the govt teat" they are "providing jobs and tax income" and the fact that they all use legal loopholes THEY had written into tax laws to avoid paying the vast majority of their taxes, and that they are generally moving any manufacturing to developing countries where they can pay 1/100th of the wages to people even more desparate than the poorest in the US, doesn't make them parasites, it just makes them businessmen!
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4 of 14
April 8, 2011
Whoa, I'm not sure you should be writing a article like this. Did you take your Meds this morning. We all have deep feelings on the subject but, really. Your name calling hardly does the subject any good.
I was a little confused about wether you want RGGI dissolved or to continue?
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5 of 14
April 8, 2011
Great comment Natasha!!

Also, great article Jon.

I really don't see how people like Iggy can see how programs like RGGI are parasitic. A whopping 5% of the program's revenues goes to funding overhead and almost all of the rest goes back into energy efficiency and renewable energy initiatives. This is not parasitic! These are investments into our future, which pay huge dividends--$50 million in Mr. Koch's case. That's a lot of money! Furthermore if gasoline hits $5 or $6/gallon--quite likely, these investments will greatly reduce the economic shock that places like Texas will have to completely bear. The financial and risk-reducing benefits to programs like RGGI are HUGE!
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6 of 14
April 8, 2011
There's a lot said about Kochs' politics, but nobody can seriously call them dummies....The same can't be said for Fox News unfortunately...
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7 of 14
April 9, 2011
Greenies are just evangelistic, much like Mac, or Foodies. Or garage sale people. We all carry something a little to far. Don't we? I know I do it all the time.
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8 of 14
April 10, 2011
The funny thing is that it is people like IggyDalrymple that are the real parasites off the government --driving on the roads, posting on the internet, relying on public safety, living off the fat of an educated society--all created by society through the institution of government and paid for by taxes. The Iggy's of the world keep eating the fat, but have no consciousness of all that they daily depend on, while calling anyone else who benefits from government a "parasite".
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9 of 14
April 10, 2011
The Kochs are the real parasites who work tirelessly to destroy the hosts that they live off of--the American political system and the environment of the planet.
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10 of 14
April 10, 2011
The David H. Koch Institute for Integrative Cancer Research was funded with a $100,000,000 gift from David H. Koch in 2007.

He is a major patron of the arts; a funder of conservative and libertarian political causes including some organizations that fund some organizations within the American Tea Party movement. Among other charities, he has contributed to Lincoln Center, Sloan Kettering, a fertility clinic at New York-Presbyterian Hospital and the American Museum of Natural History's David H. Koch Dinosaur Wing. The New York State Theater at Lincoln Center, home of the New York City Opera and New York City Ballet was renamed the David H. Koch Theater in 2008 following a gift of 100 million dollars for the renovation of the theater. Condé Nast Portfolio described him as "one of the most generous but low-key philanthropists in America." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H._Koch
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11 of 14
April 10, 2011
Hi:

#12, I am in tears... your presentation was so touching...
I feel compelled to get in my car right now and go make a donation to them in person. Maybe they even wear a papal ring I could kiss. LMAO....
#7 Of course they are not dummies, it is the people who believe, support and follow them who are....
I think these quotes comes close to hitting the nail on the head:

'H. L. Mencken, defined a demagogue as 'one who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.'

As George Bernard Shaw said:

'But though there is no difference in this respect between the best demagogue and the worst, both of them having to present their cases equally in terms of melodrama, there is all the difference in the world between the statesman who is humbugging the people into allowing him to do the will of God, in whatever disguise it may come to him, and one who is humbugging them into furthering his personal ambition and the commercial interests of the plutocrats who own the newspapers and support him on reciprocal terms.'

Max Weber:

'Political leadership in the form of the free 'demagogue' who grew from the soil of the city state is of greater concern to us; like the city state, the demagogue is peculiar to the Occident and especially to Mediterranean culture. Furthermore, political leadership in the form of the parliamentary 'party leader' has grown on the soil of the constitutional state, which is also indigenous only to the Occident.'

Though this definition emphasizes the use of lying and falsehoods, skilled demagogues often need to use only special emphasis by which an uncritical listener will be led to draw the desired conclusion themselves. Moreover, a demagogue may well believe his or her own arguments (for example, there are good reasons to assume that Adolf Hitler—certainly one of the most successful demagogues in history—sincerely believed his own anti-Jewish diatribes).'

.....Bill
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12 of 14
April 10, 2011
Free markets will lead the way in the acceptance of renewables...James E. Rogers at Duke Energy is the first example...Most corporations in America know it too, as do the Koch's and Rupert Murdoch. Their problem is they are selling one thing and living something else...$2.25 gas is the way to get people's attention.
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13 of 14
April 10, 2011
Hi:

Ben Bernanke sat before the Senate Banking Committee and said point blank, ~"that left unchecked, the model of free market capitalism does not work. The problem is not in the theoretical construct itself but in the way the model interacts in the real world."
He is the cerebral darling of free market capitalism!! Take a hint!!

.....Bill
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14 of 14
April 10, 2011
You wouldn't get an argument out of Friedman himself after 2008...I am speaking specifically to the politics of renewable energy, which should be unnecessary due to the inevitability of the whole thing....Work on the personal politics of the concept rather than the ones folks don't understand...$2.25 petro and $100 electric bills...Made in America...
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