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Federal Solar Tax Credit Rules Out Ownership for Half of America

By John Farrell
February 16, 2011   |   12 Comments

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1 of 12
February 16, 2011
I see your point, but wonder if lower income people would be able to afford solar or, if they were renting, would be able to install solar anyway?

In lower costs areas, a family of four with $44,000 of income might be able to own their own home, but in areas like LA, you can't buy a dog house with that low of an income.

I'm not saying that it's right, but that it is what it is...if you know what I mean?

Bob "Free As The Wind"

P.S. Currently, I'm WAY below that $44,000 income level...just so that people don't think that I'm being snooty!
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Anonymous
February 17, 2011
My wife and I installed 5kw last summer in north Florida. She works and I don't. We have very little expectation of getting back the 9k in fed tax credits with other farm investments we are already writing off. It would be great if the credit was turned into a rebate like the 1603 program for commercial installations. We are having serious trouble getting back rebates from the Florida government. They owe us about 60k from our commercial and residential projects. 2/3 of that from August of 2009. They owe a total of around 50m to Florida solar purchasers. They did announce a deal in November to pay back around half of what is owed via a stimulus fund grant of about 35m. We are still looking for that part and hoping working for the rest.
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February 17, 2011
In my opinion, the tax credit has also stopped the formation of new installation companies. No new companies means there are areas with no competition. No competition means inflated installation costs. To get the credit you must hire it done by a NABCEP certified installer. Unless the rules have changed in the last year, to become certified, you must install 2 systems. So, you have to be able to give away your first 2 installations to get the price down low enough to entice a homeowner to use you rather than an established NABCEP installer.
Manufactures should couple with educators to provide systems at reduced cost to the students. The training programs should include the installation of systems on the homes of the people in the class. Everyone in the class would help install each system. Each person taking the class would get a system installed inexpensively, have the experience of living with and maintaining a system, and experience a wider range in installation issues, assuming there are more than 2 people taking the class.
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Anonymous
February 17, 2011
According to a phone call to the IRS, the 30% credit is after rebates. Also, I don't know about other states, but here solar PV is selling everyday at or below $5 per watt. This coupled with the utility rebates the total federal tax credit is around $5000, so it's much more affordable. We can only hope all the other states get to this point, or even better hope we get to the point of not needing the incentives to be affordable.
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Anonymous
February 17, 2011
I'm new in this country. I heard that there are companies like SunRun that put PV on your roof at not cost, no effort for you. You just buy the electricity at rates competitive or lower then from PG&E.

Is that a good way working around the tax credit flaws? Certainly, I agree, it' not ideal, because it reduces competition, but does it a least open PV to people with low tax bills?

Could someone please clarify that for me? Thanks!
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6 of 12
February 17, 2011
Well yes, residential solar leases (such as Sunrun & the more affordable Tesla Solar, among others) have opened the way for the "rest of us" to enjoy solar power without any up-front payments. The good side is your monthly electric bill gets replaced with a smaller solar lease payment, which (at least in Tesla's case) remains fixed for 10 years.
The down side is, you never own the system. THEY do. So the homeowner never gets any rebates or tax credits, and his "monthly electricity expense" never goes away, as it can when you buy a system.
It is lower than without the leased solar system, but a monthly recurring bill still shows up, every month....
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7 of 12
February 17, 2011
You can "make money" (create debt) or you can make sense, but you can't do both until money makes sense:

Treasurynet.Org

Treasurynet.US
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February 18, 2011
What state do you have to have a certified NABCEP installer do the work? Me and most folk's I know do it themselves, get it inspected by the local electrical inspector then fill out a grid tie form with the local utility. Total cost for everything for DIY'ers is $5 per watt (in Virginia). I got my 30% back from the fed last year. www.reevadiy.org community service RE
Mark
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February 18, 2011
The PTC and ITC were created during a better economic time; States are having a tough time right now with very few that have a balanced budget. The tax credits are unfunded so its understandable why they are behind in their payments. IF things get better they will have to honor their deals but until then I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for payment or some sort of return.
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February 21, 2011
We should all know by now to keep the gov. out of the loop. They are only making claims that they cannot keep. As far as the NABCEP, if you go to their website, on the bottom of their home page there is a statement that says that they are NOT an accredited business and that their certification is not a valid one. This alone should keep them and their ideals out of the solar installers pockets.
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February 21, 2011
Sorry, the NABCEP requirement I referred to above is for Ohio grant money and should not be part of this thread on Federal tax rebates. My mistake. However, the Ohio program requirements kept me from getting into the business last year and I assume it has held back others.
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February 28, 2011
More Government money for the poor people to have solar is the way to go. Those of us who pay Taxes don't need the help. Lets wait until the Government can install systems for them at almost nothing. As they do now with Food Stamps, Mandated Low Income Housing, Utility Bill Help, Subsidized Medical for the Parents of school children, School children also, School lunch and Breakfast programs, and don't forget Grant money. Government workers can install systems and we will pay for it. Sounds great to me...... When it pencils out without outside help. You won't be able to stop RE neither will PG&E
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