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Sustainability Wars: Apple Versus Google

By Ethan Lipman
January 27, 2011   |   13 Comments

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January 27, 2011
Ethan- great post. It's interesting to contrast Google and Apple in this way. Apple is an entrenched and iconic Silicon Valley brand that has been through quite a lot- nearly becoming irrelevant before the launch of the iPod. Google doesn't have any physical widget-like product it has to be concerned with anyway in terms of environmental impact. The benchmarks of profitability are different for each corporation. Google is a great representative of the new-guard Silicon Valley: profits in The Cloud. However, I still need my trusty PowerBook G4 to access the value in the Cloud.

I'll be interested in seeing how Apple's plans to further "green up" pan out. Thanks for sharing your analysis and thoughts.
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2 of 13
January 27, 2011
The two companies businesses seem to be intersecting more and more.

Google didn't *used to* sell any physical widgets direct to consumers, but now we've got "Pure Google Branded Nexus S" Cell Phones - http://www.google.com/nexus/ and Google Netbooks in the hands of beta testers. These might be manufactured by Samsung or HTC or whoever, but I'm not sure there is much different there vs how Apple manufactures via Foxconn and other contract mfrs.

And now we have Apple building 500,000 square foot data centers.
http://gigaom.com/apple/apples-new-north-carolina-data-center-ready-to-roll-2/

Looks like a terrific white roof just begging for solar on top!
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3 of 13
January 28, 2011
Congratulations to Google for it's efforts in renewable energy use. Congratulations to Apple for responding to public concerns and moving toward a cleaner product line. It is easy to stand around and demand that these companies do better. But it is a mistake to complain that these companies do more, more quickly. The fact that they do anything to improve is worthy of respect. Why not direct the criticism to the companies that are doing nothing about sustainability, like fossil fuel power plants and manufacturers using toxic ingredients for all types of other products.
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4 of 13
January 28, 2011
Google ended its pursuit of "clean energy" in 2010 because they deemed them to be mostly ineffective.
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5 of 13
January 28, 2011
Ethan, great article. I'd be curious about other Silicon Valley greats, too. I know Adobe has a very green/energy efficient building in downtown San Jose, but not much else. Also, it may be interesting to see how Apple will hold up to the increased public scrutiny now that they are the world's most valuable company and no longer the "little engine that could." Need to step it up on all fronts, not just profits.
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January 28, 2011
@Andrew_W --
When did you hear that? I've spoken to a number of people at Google.org and I've heard nothing of the sort -- many of these investments, particularly in CSP and EGS, are very large-scale and long term.

Do you have a source for that?
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January 29, 2011
@alligatorhardt I agree that both apple and google should be commended for their efforts to date. Some greening of products has been due to gov't regulation and some has come as the result of consumer demands. Regarding the latter, I think it is totally appropriate to continue to demand the very best from these successful industry leaders. They have major supply chain buying power, social influence, and with those come responsibility. Part of being an industry leader is the responsibility to lead.

@andrew_w. I'd be very interested in a source for your info that google has backed off it's interests in clean energy. I haven't seen any evidence to support that.

@cameliacc. Thanks! I'd like to write another piece looking at how the competitive spirit is alive in silicon valley beyond the products made. Weather it's gourmet healthy food in campus cafeterias, or shuttle services and green campus initiatives, companies compete and follow the leaders. Company execs are increasingly recognizing that it's not only good for their company public images, but most importantly, sustainability investments are good for companies looking to decrease their operating costs.
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January 29, 2011
I am amused to hear and read remarks from those who actually think that 1) "sustainability" actually means something,
or 2) that following their suggestions has any appreciable benefit. For anyone. Nor is this mob mentality whereby "customers" demand that a company operate in a manner they prescribe anything other than self-congratulatory pap.
If a company is deemed by society at large (and not a small group of self proclaimed Earth saviors) to be acting in the
proper manner, then the responsible actions are not to randomly select companies for hate campaigns, but to have the laws enacted that proscribe that behavior. Small groups like those represented by Lipman have zero right to take the law into their own hands. THEY are not the ones to determine right and wrong. In fact, they should be liable for damages for their actions. I suspect that companies are using these
groups to focus attention on their competitors. Legally, it's called restraint of free trade. Sorry, Lipman, but you don't speak for me. So knock it off.
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January 29, 2011
@theBike. Thanks for the constructive criticism. I'm curious what "group" you think I'm representing and what laws you think I've taken into my own hands.

I assure you, I was only speaking for myself. All I intended was to write an article comparing two progressive companies that I admire.
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10 of 13
January 30, 2011
GreenNH3 contacted Apple and Google and microsoft, as well as many other Haves. They have a new dispatchable, sustainable form of energy which needs to be expanded before Peak Oil 2014 (Scientific American). Google nor Apple or any of them replied.
Scientists know it is time, but investors fear BigOIl and changing the status quo.
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Anonymous
January 30, 2011
@TheBike -- You are not making any sense. First, you say that laws should be constructed to mimic the actions of companies doing the right thing. Then you say that somehow any type of action is a restriction of free trade?

Wouldn't demand from customers be a good thing for free trade, rather than have some top-down law???

And who's engaging in a hate campaign? Knock what off?

No one is demanding anything -- it's a simple analysis of legitimate efforts by very two important companies.

These companies have a lot of power in our lives. To somehow discount their actions is silly and irresponsible. A company like Google is quite literally helping move the renewable energy industry forward.

Get a clue.
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12 of 13
February 1, 2011
Sustainability is an elusive goal for any business. The landscape is filled with complex trade offs and compromises. A leading national standard is coming out of B Lab and gaining traction. Their "B Corp" designation has teeth and is a great example of what the future measurement of sustainable business will look like. Take five minutes to check it out.
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13 of 13
February 1, 2011
There are dozens of Silicon Valley companies who take sustainability seriously using both facility level changes and employee engagement to reduce their carbon footprint. Genentech alone has reduced its workforce individual commute miles by over 1M driver miles. Adobe designed one of the greenest corporate workspaces ever.

SustainableSiliconValley.org has a whole roster of companies actively committed to going green. Google and Apple are the focus of the article but there's a lot of greening by Bay Area companies going on that's under the radar but effective.
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