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Perverse Policy Makes Distributed Renewables More Expensive

By John Farrell
January 26, 2011   |   14 Comments

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14 Reader Comments
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1 of 14
January 27, 2011
I think you're absolutely right -- ultimately, we have to reward for generation, not capacity.

Whether it's a FIT, an SREC or some other kind of structure, it's got to be about performance.
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2 of 14
January 27, 2011
The utility company should pay back a higher KWH that they normally charge. This would compensate the consumer for their (utility) perceived overhead and profit. It will save them multiple millions for voltage drop and IR2 losses by achieving local distribution.
As electric cars are plugged into consumer owned solar, the utility will save even more as they do not have to "suffer?" the effects of creating more power. The millions of batteries will also allow a sizable "reserve of power".
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3 of 14
January 28, 2011
What is not mentioned here is the cost of regulation created when sizable amounts of variable generation is added to the grid; who pays for that service? The argument usually makes the claim that EV batteries will provide the stability and frequency regulation but this is an unproven assumption that assumes that some form of control is available and free at the utility. It also assumes that EV owners will buy in and allow their battery to be degraded by multiple charge/discharge events created when utilities need regulation from integrating vast dispersed generation on the user side. If the utilities have to pay for the installation of equipment to provide ancillary services needed to keep the system stable, won't rate increases offset the advantages of added variable renewable generation.I just don't see the players agreeing to this scenario if there is added cost because of the need to increase control measures for the system.
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4 of 14
January 28, 2011
Perverse is hardly the word. As the article states, "... the cap on rebate values can help stretch limited funds to more participants ..."

By the very arguments presented in the article, larger arrays should be more cost effective due to the "labor" factor. If the goal is to get participation, then more assistance is needed with the smaller installations. You can argue the merits of that policy, but calling it names seems unnecessary.
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5 of 14
January 28, 2011
I work in the Photovoltaic industry. I try very hard to see issues from both sides of the story. If I was a supplier/delievery of electricity to peoples homes, and I have to pay people for putting clean energy on the grid, I would want compensation for outages that may be caused by nature or man made accidents that would cause the grid to go down. Somebody has to fix it. You are putting electricity on my grid. The question, how much? Sounds greedy, but is it?

We can talk about cost per watt, but we don't talk about payback times. NY State can average around 10 years.

SO now we produce power, we get paid for it, is the payment going to be enough that we can see better payback times?

Also, let us not forget, tax credits are dollar amounts, not deductions. Every dollar lost to a state or federal govt is a dollar that needs to be replaced somewhere else. (more taxes)

You say in the article;

U.S. state and federal energy policies help craft a market for renewable energy, but they fail to maximize the cost-effectiveness of renewable energy generation.

My question to you is, do you still believe that. There is always room for improvement in the grid, but I think it has to be fair for both parties, PV power producers and the suppliers of electricity.
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6 of 14
January 28, 2011
Without these ill-advised and overly-generous subsidies, wind and solar would have no place in our energy plan.

Instead of continuing to finance wind and solar developments, money should be used to make those technologies cost-effective and affordable FIRST, then build them.
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7 of 14
PJT
January 28, 2011
The Utility companies see a problem should PV energy get a hold in the various States.

Pacific Gas & Electric (Calif) charge the public up to 41 Cents per Kilowatt ($0.41) for electricity and then brag that California is at the cutting edge in the Energy field.

I ask - How many Roof Tops in California sell their power for $0.41 per kilowatt.

Our Government & the California Public Utilities Commission have no idea regarding how many RAPES our Utilities perform daily.
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8 of 14
January 29, 2011
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/solar/pdfs/set_myp_2007-2011_proof_1.pdf

This DoE document describes costs and projections for typical PV systems. An example of a 4kW rooftop system in Phoenix in 2005 had a $8.67/Wdc with $1.66/Wdc direct labor(19%) and $1.30/Wdc indirect labor (15%). Projected for 2011 is a $5.00/Wdc total system cost with $0.57/Wdc direct labor (12%) and indirect labor at $1.14/Wdc (23%).

If you define everything that is not hardware as "installation labor" you still do not get 50% of the system cost. You must have a better information resource than NREL. Other than travel time for your installers, you are actually talkng about overhead costs which vary by project and are managed quite differently from direct labor.
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9 of 14
February 1, 2011
The 8th comment here is correct. There is no way labor costs account for 50% of an installation over 2 kW. The caps insure more people access public resources, and this is sound public policy. The larger systems are generally by those with more resources to begin with. Public policy should be directed to allowing the broadest segment of the public have access to clean distributed energy technology, similarly to what we're doing with internet access. Scott Sklar, The Stella Group, Ltd.
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10 of 14
February 1, 2011
I agree with the author's concepts, but the math on labor is incorrect. Labor is a smaller % of installed costs and the savings are exaggerated for a 50-75kW system. Optimizing roof space is important and will yield the lowest cost per kWh at any individual site. We all need to think in kWh rather than kW installed and start talking in these terms. Everyone understands power used (or generated) basically only solar integrators understand $/watt installed. We are in the power generation business. To address the logic that bigger is always better a tiered incentive by size of system(or customer segment) seems to resolve most issues. Smaller residential gets a higher rate and large commercial gets a smaller one. Bob Kingery. Southern Energy Management.
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11 of 14
February 1, 2011
The labor cost percent is sensitive to the hardware component. Recently, I've seen total solar crystalline systems 4-10 KW, including delivery to NJ, for $ 2.90 per watt. 'If' the contractor installs for $ 5.00, we're almost at 50 %.
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12 of 14
February 1, 2011
Steven is right. System credits and rebates should be based on performance, and that should apply to distributed solar thermal as well. That energy can be measured in watts, the same as electricity. Here in WI, we have the requirement, like the Fed does, that "equipment sold" be SRCC certified, a vague and expensive rating regimen, which raises US prices since all collectors are rated in their country of origin and sometimes several countries. Yet, the SRCC rating is required for USA Focus rewards and the Fed tax credits. This makes smaller manufacturers prices take a larger hit per unit. Most PV hardware only requires being on the "List of Cal. Approved Products" to get on board, but solar thermal still requires SRCC. Testing is so lucretive that several new test labs are getting on board, with no decrease in costs to test or certify. Untill last year, there was only one in the US, FSEC. My contention is that ANY SYSTEM with metering equipment connected should be approved and able to get rewards and SRECs for trading.
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13 of 14
February 1, 2011
I want to stump one more comment. Solar energy, PV and Thermal, are far more cost effective when self installed. One also understands the system better and can maintain it easier. Of course one must know what they are doing. That's a given, and mechanical courses are ubiquitous and many handy people are laid of right now. Another reason to reward for performance of a system, not expensive hardware with an embossed seal with it that says what it will produce in a "standard solar day"... Those are real nice.
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14 of 14
February 1, 2011
Regarding the incentive program in Germany, not all would agree that it has been an effective use of resources, or that the outcomes have been in line with intent.

For an in-depth analysis of this question, please see the following document:
http://repec.rwi-essen.de/files/REP_09_156.pdf
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