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Wisconsin Governor's Approach to Wind: Back Off a Bit

By Jim Cummings
January 23, 2011   |   12 Comments

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January 26, 2011
When I think of the traffic noise that tens of millions of Americans tolerate at their homes and compare that to the relatively benign swooshing of turbine blades it makes me wonder what is the big deal?
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2 of 12
January 26, 2011
A valid question. In fact, I live about a mile from an interstate and the sound I hear from home is about the same loudness as what bothers wind farm neighbors. In any given community, of course, people will do all they can to avoid having their local soundscape irrevocably changed, whether by a highway or a wind farm.

I see a couple of reasons that wind farms noise is not quite comparable to highway noise. First off, there's a consistent body of research that confirms that wind turbine noise does trigger annoyance, and extreme annoyance, at lower sound levels than other common sources of community noise. There are several proposed reasons for this, including its pulsing quality and the fact that, unlike most other community noise sources, it doesn't abate at night. Secondly, the "public good" that comes from a highway is far more widely shared than the public good that comes from a wind farm; thus a case might be made that the negative impacts of a highway are better balanced by that broader public good.

The bottom line is that in quiet rural areas, there is always going to be a negative impact when turbines are close enough to be clearly audible; when they are 10dB or more louder than other background sounds, they'll be perceived as the dominant sound of the area. And there will always be some, often a lot, of residents who are not ready to have their soundscapes changed in the name of clean energy produced by a few or few dozen wind turbines. This is why efforts such as Governor Walker's hold promise by setting siting standards that better protect those who are not ready to live with wind farms, and providing clear and easy avenues for developers to work with those who are.
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3 of 12
January 26, 2011
The danger here is that Wisconsin is setting itself up to re-learn one of the lessons of airport noise. People (and developers!) built houses near existing airports, then residents who bought the houses began to complain about the noise levels after they were in residence. Presumably they knew about the airpport and its associated noise levels when they bought the property, but......Setbacks might be OK, but allowing an impacted neighbor to say "OK by me" might not be.
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Anonymous
January 26, 2011
I'd still rather support an open season on most gear-head's V-8's and Harleys.
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Anonymous
January 26, 2011
A little math. Assume an undivided square mile of land(a section of 640 acres). 1800' setback on all boundaries leaves 1680' squared(5280-3600=1680) or 65 acres(1680X1680=2,822,400 sq.ft=65acres) in the center of that 640 acre section. A typical utility scale 2.5MW turbine with 100m dia. blades needs 3X rotor diameter separation or ~1000 ft. spacing between the turbines. Therefore the most turbines that could be put in an undivided square mile of land without any dwellings would be 4. Any less than 300 acres in a square would preclude any wind turbine on that land. The likelihood of finding 300+ acres of undivided Wisconsin land with suitable wind potential is nil. This law would kill all potential wind development in that state and the utilities would pursue wind projects in Minnesota and the Dakotas.
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6 of 12
January 26, 2011
We set up a ten blade windfarm on the campus of Gauladet University in Washington, DC. Those college punks didn't know a thing was going on until we had it up and running! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! We even built in the middle of the night! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
The bowling alleys and steamworks next door had a good laugh, too.
(ooooo! bad man! bad man's a-laughin'! oooo!)
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7 of 12
January 26, 2011
re: math

It appears that the siting situation which has been most problematic in Wisconsin is building wind farms around and amidst existing dwellings. Rather than living "near" a wind farm on a nearby ridge, people end up living "inside a wind farm." I don't doubt that an 1800-to-property-line rule would make this approach to wind development much more difficult, and often impossible. But that may be for the best, both for local communities and for the long-term growth of the industry, if it avoids the contentious intra-community bad blood and adding to the internet's growing chorus of disgruntled neighbors.

South Dakota makes far more sense for wind farms than Wisconsin farm country, for many reasons. We haven't run out of relatively "middle of nowhere" locations or "wide open spaces" to concentrate our developments.

(Though again, by making a fair mutually agreeable deal with neighbors, projects could move forward with far more turbines per section, even in Wisconsin farm country.)
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8 of 12
January 27, 2011
How does this law effect smaller systems? Say you want to put up a small unit on your home? is there a height to distance ratio in this bill? or is this mainly directed at wind farms?
Kansas has had to deal with this some. and they had alot of people up in arms in certain areas. but mostly about the vision of the plains doted with them,then the noise issue. wehn i lived in Manhattan Ks it was a big stink and they set limits on a height to distance basis. so the higher it goes the further back from property line it had to be.
People around here can hold grudges for a long time there are people still upset about a the damn that was put in in the 50s. not alot but every now and again you still see a sign "big damn foolishness" around some of the old timers places. and i dont think people are really that different from one place to the next.
As much as i like seeing the big WinGens that are going up around Salina ks i still like the idea of people dealing with their own energy needs on a house by house. but i know thats being to optimistic
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Anonymous
January 27, 2011
I live 2,400 feet from a small wind farm in a rural area. I can tell you that the constant noise from the turbines has ruined our quality of life, effected our health due to the high stress level of living with the noise (ie high blood pressure), caused very "bad blood" in our community, and significantly impacted our personal retirement savings/plans if we decide to take the hit of losing 20 to 40% on our property values and sell (assuming someone will buy). Wind developers toss around numbers, suggesting 1800 feet is enough. It absolutely is not enough. Suggesting that 45 dBA is quiet enough for a rural community is also not true. You may wish it "ain't so" but that is the reality. No matter how you cut it, wind turbines are too loud to place within a mile of residences, especially in rural areas where quiet is the rule, not the exception. If wind companies build near homes, they need to offer property guarantees so that individuals are not forced to live in impossible situations. If wind developers want land-based turbines to be acceptable, they need to take into account the people who live near them, not just their bottom lines. Otherwise the angry voices will continue to grow in opposition and for very good reason. Wind developers who site turbines too close to homes are shooting themselves in the foot. If they continue to do so, the pain is only going to get worse.
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10 of 12
January 27, 2011
re: smaller units
This is aimed at wind farms with total capacity of under 100MW. I believe larger wind farms were already under state rules, and this PSC process was designed to set a "cap" on what local governments could require for small to medium sized wind farms--no town or county can make more stringent rules than these.

See this link for a clear summary of what the PSC rules required; the Governor's measure changes the setbacks but nothing else, I believe.
http://www.nawindpower.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.6461

I think, but don't know for sure, that individual home turbines are still under local jurisdiction, which may vary (some may have height/distance ratios, some may have noise ordinances).
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January 27, 2011
Wisconsin doesn't have many good wind sites. The situation improves with taller wind turbines, but that may cause more annoyance from flicker and noise.

The Governor is being capricious by changing the PSC ruling.

The Governor also rejected a high-speed rail link between Milwaukee and Madison.
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January 28, 2011
In a rural setting the pulse and sound from a wind farm is extremely annoying and does affect one's physiology. Maybe since douglas-prince stated that a wind farm in a cosmopolitan area didn't have any negative effects that's where we should build them. Can't be any worse than tall buildings for visual ascetics and there maybe some wind vortex/tunneling advantages if placed between buildings.
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