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What Stands Between Us and Renewable Abundance?

By Dana Blankenhorn
December 2, 2010   |   15 Comments

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15 Reader Comments
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1 of 15
December 2, 2010
Raising water for electric energy storage has been around for over a century. Pumped storage is the dominant technology for storing energy.
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2 of 15
December 2, 2010
Geothermal power plants run at or near capacity close to 99% of the time. Generating hydrogen near the plant and piping to another area is less efficient than distributed generation...Build a hydrogen facility at the very downstream end of the electrical transmission network, but near a NG source...When electrical supply is over abundant, make hydrogen. When electrical demand is high, use hydrogen fuel cells to generate electricity nearer to the demand side. This way you aren't building pipelines, just using the existing transmission infrastructure. Of course the fuel cells could be fueled with NG or methane or a number of fuels. The key is the distributed aspect
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3 of 15
December 2, 2010
Storage: Bingo! Whoever solves the storage puzzle will be THE economic power of the 21st century. I am familiar with most of the methods currently being explored, although this is the first I have heard of using magnets. Intriguing! Distributed storage (as opposed to massive industrial facilities) would seem to be promising as well. Who wouldn't want a backup power supply built into their home or office, particularly if that home or office is also generating some of its own power via solar panels and/or wind turbines?
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4 of 15
December 2, 2010
Amen to distributing, WillDeliver.

The big problem set to solve is that different storage solutions are needed in different places. Mini-storage should also be distributed, for safety and reliability reasons.

Too much stored in one place can give one fat guy with big bonuses a lot of money, but that isn't good for him or for the people who don't get jobs because of his big pull-down.

It is the executive monkey who gets ulcers, not the tortured monkeys. The tortured monkeys recover from the electric shocks pretty readily.

In the Northwest, water could be used for storage. We have natural underground sources already.

When water is underground, it is pretty well insulated, so it can retain heat or cold. It is also less of a flood risk. If a flat storage place is breached, it doesn't have anywhere to go to flood out things, an issue in an earthquake zone.

Not the best water could be used. We have lots of bad water because of industrial and other contamination issues. If this water is used for energy storage, it would be less tempting to use it for drinking, thinking you could dilute out contaminants. There is already pump equipment on site.

To take contaminants out could perhaps be looked at at the same time, though we also have freezing issues, so that has to be carefully figured in as contaminants change the freezing characteristics and temperature.

Contaminants also affect plaque formation. If they can be precipitated out, there might be a value stream.

Phosphorus is a frequent contaminant if sewage has seeped in. Demand for phosphorus exists in food golf courses. I hope we will extinguish military demand.

I confess to having been enamored of flywheels, but the metals issue makes flywheels complicated. So much dysfunction in the rent-and-commission-seeking financial industry creates havoc in commodities, although flywheels are more portable than UG water.
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5 of 15
December 2, 2010
There are a number of varieties of energy storage in use, and being explored, by utilities, as is explained in detail in ABI Research's Renewable Energy Storage study: http://bit.ly/aE5Rxk
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6 of 15
December 3, 2010
The use of existing gas pipelines for hyrdogen would not work, as hydrogen requires special pipeline materials at high cost. However, NH3 is a better hydrogen carrier, and already runs in carbon steel pipelines - we have over 3000 miles of pipeline running from New Orleans up to Minn and into the Farm Belt, with distribution facilies along the way. NH3 is a better hydrogen carrier than hydrogen itself, and less of an issue (lower pressures, higher temperatures, less leakage, not explosive). It has been in bulk use as a fertilizer and is being researched privately for use as a fuel and storage medium. The DOE needs to classify it as an alternative fuel and begin focused research on its use.
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7 of 15
December 3, 2010
Another thing about storage, beyond making alternative energy more acceptable to utilities, is that it also increases the reliability, the durability, the robustness of the existing grid.

The aim, in my view, has to make the grid more like the Internet, which can take data from anyone, pass it to anyone, and where packets can easily be rerouted. You can't just "cut" off the Internet, in most places. Traffic reroutes itself automatically according to the Internet Protocol.

We need an electrical grid like that. It can be wildly profitable for the utility companies, but it will take investment to get there. Just as it did with the carriers in the last 4 decades.
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8 of 15
December 3, 2010
Storage yes but not with natural gas, remember its a finite resource like oil.
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9 of 15
December 6, 2010
Mitch: Most of the "air" programs, like the one described here, are using regular air, not natural gas. The air is released through a narrow aperture to create electricity .
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10 of 15
December 6, 2010
Dana, CAES systems have major issues with heat. They need to lose heat on compression into the store and they need to raise the temperature on expansion out of the store.
Some systems try to store the heat from compression and use it to warm the air on expansion,but it doesn't do the whole job and it doesn't work at all if there is a long time lapse between compression and expansion.
Most systems use gas in one way or another to heat the air as it expands.
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11 of 15
December 6, 2010
I believe the best bet for storage at the moment is at http://www.launchpnt.com/portfolio/grid-scale-electricity-storage.html
You get all the benefits of pumped storage with none of the geographical constraints and very few environmental hassles.
The system is modular and scalable all they way up to GW size storage. It ramps from zero to full power in less than 30 seconds and can replace gas turbines as peaking plant for next to no money - fractions of cents per kWh
Load shifting is a breeze with Gravity Power. Download all the power you need at night when electricity is cheap and run you factory, hotel, whatever all day on cheap overnight electricity.
As a back-up it is great too because it can deliver power for hours or days if it is sized accordingly
It never goes "flat", once it is charged it stays charged and it's life expectancy is in excess of 30 years, probably closer to 50 given that the pump/turbine is the same unit as the one in most pumped hydro schemes and they last for a lot longer than 50 years!
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12 of 15
December 6, 2010
Ericmair This looks a lot like a flywheel system, only bigger and situated underground. Just as potential electrical energy holds a flywheel aloft, so gravity pulls this system down.

I agree. In its current form this Japanese system looks utility grade. But I like the flexibility of the flywheel, especially in urban environments. Makes the whole grid more flexible and redundant.

Both are welcome. Thanks for bringing this one up.
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13 of 15
December 6, 2010
WillDeliver. That's exactly what I had been thinking a few years ago. The problem is the energy lost in the creation of hydrogen, its transport, and its conversion back into energy through a fuel cell. I don't have numbers at hand there but I suspect it's higher than with the other systems being discussed on this thread.
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14 of 15
December 6, 2010
Natural gas(methane) is both a fossil fuel AND a biofuel, it is easily, and economically produced from any type of biomass at all, including sewage and landfills. We've been able to do this for over 150 years.

Hydrogen is not needed for fuel cells---catalytic fuel cells can use methane directly to produce electricity. The city of Portland OR has used catalytic fuel cells to produce electricity using methane captured by treating sewage for over a decade.
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15 of 15
December 27, 2010
A problem with power storage as a compressed gas such as air is that when a gas under pressure has the pressure released quickly---it gets cold. That is how a refrigerator works. Try to release a gas under pressure through a turbine and it gets very cold very quickly. Everything can freeze up on you, including your turbine. And most of your stored energy is lost. (the reverse happens when the gas is compressed, it gets hot---when the heat generated on compression is lost due to convection, conduction and radiation---the amount of energy stored in the compressed gas is lost----that is why it gets cold when you release the pressure. That is why air conditioners and refrigerators have radiator coils---they pump heat from the inside to the outside)

This also happens with methane and propane---but the main energy storage is chemical, not physical---therefore, very little energy is lost.
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