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Renewable Energy - Let's Look at Some Numbers

By Craig Shields
December 16, 2010   |   9 Comments

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December 16, 2010
Great point, Craig. It seems that whenever a discussion begins about the merits of one energy source over another, it rapidly disintegrates into fragmented arguments based on differing premises (land area, dead birds, noise, pollution, terrorism, waste storage, efficiency, cost,...). A nice matrix that incorporates many and quantifies those, and other, facets of the discussion and reports them on a "scorecard" would be a cool project. Any takers?
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December 16, 2010
"solar and wind technologies require huge amounts of land to deliver relatively small amounts of energy, disrupting natural habitats"

Lake Mead, behind Hoover Dam has a surface area of 267 sq. miles and provides 2080 MW peak output. When water levels allow it. The human race traded a priceless natural heritage for Las Vegas.

I am afraid to do the math. There may be something wrong with every potential solution.

63.2% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
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Anonymous
December 16, 2010
You have a sign error in the Schrodinger equation graphic you use at the beginning of the article--the sign of the kinetic energy term should be negative.
Steven
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4 of 9
December 16, 2010
Perhaps PV takes up more room. Wind I am not so sure. I frequently drive through huge areas where there are vast wind farms. They are, in almost every case, right in the middle of a wheat farm. They don't seem to have any impact on the ability to use the land for power and agriculture.
To piggyback the comment above...Do the statistic take into account all of the square miles of reservoir behind the dam? Google Earth the Colorado River to get a perspective on how much real-estate a dam actually takes up.
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5 of 9
December 16, 2010
For perspective:
The Hanford Nuclear Reservation and former weapons site occupies 540 sq. miles. The DOE has designated about 75 sq miles as a sacrificial nuclear waste area. This leaves over 400 sq miles of fenced, guarded space criss-crossed by significant electrical grid structures and a reasonably good solar resource, far better than anywhere in Germany. There is not really that much radioactive rodent poop despite what you hear.
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December 17, 2010
Solar and wind are more scalable. You can put up one unit virtually overnight or put up 100. Key advantage.

Since these technologies are scalable, one can expect faster improvement in the technology (like Moore's law). Compare that to a 5-10yr waiting period while you're waiting for the nuclear reactor to get built.

Solar/wind/geothermal have the potential to keep on giving year after year with very little extra input. They are not big consumers once up and running. Key advantage when oil is not affordable.

Solar/wind/geothermal doesn't need a trillion dollars per year of military policing and you don't send predator drones to kill civilians to protect solar panels.

I never understood this argument that solar panels take too much space. We haven't even remotely scratched the surface of all the available rooftop space, up every fence, every streetlight, every car, every window on every building, your clothes, your streetlights, your vacant lots, make solar highways, advertise solar by putting up PV billboards, cover the entire surface of Nevada as well as the Sahara desert..... The real bottleneck is pricing, I would think.
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December 17, 2010
I would argue that solar roof top installations make use of wasted space are therefore use 0 incremental land. Wind turbines need not prohibit the ongoing use of the land around them depending on the situation ie agricultural uses.
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December 19, 2010
Some fantastic comments here; that's very gratifying.

JasonMartin: I did a "quick and dirty" matrix as a part of my report: "The Tough Realities of Renewable Energy," available (free) at http://2GreenEnergy.com/truth.

Dennis Houghton: Yes, there is something wrong with every solution (thus my phrase "tough realities). Having said, the problem of our unsustainable approach to energy is so pressing that almost *anything* we do in renewables is wonderful in comparison.
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December 20, 2010
To Bob-Wallace: Hard to say how accurate that map is, but who cares? There's no need to limit PV to existing rooftops only. I'm sure many of us have driven through places like Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, Wyoming, Eastern Montana, Southern Cal....plenty of space! We paved the earth with asphalt easily enough, for god sake, we should be able to do it with PV also, especially since our survival kind of depends on it. As proponents of solar, we need to be focused on price deflation, not get stuck arguing about some red herring issue thrown out there.
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