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Has Westinghouse Learned from Tech History?

By Dana Blankenhorn
December 14, 2010   |   10 Comments

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1 of 10
December 14, 2010
But let's say I'm in the market for a solar installation today. Should I buy Westinghouse's system?

I would answer no to the author's question. I was unable to find details of the electrical connector in the referenced resource but I imagine it is a push-to-connect device relying on contact spring tension to maintain continuity. Push-to-connect devices for DC power in outside applications have not displayed documented proof of performance, yet. Failure of the edge connector could be an expensive repair.

Perhaps a more significant reason is inferred from this additional quote from the WestinghouseSolar CEO.

"As solar cell and inverter costs continue to decline, installation costs become a greater percentage of total system cost – and we believe our integrated solution reduces these installation costs significantly."
At last we can off-shore most of the installation labor by building it into another Chinese made product.
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2 of 10
December 14, 2010
"today's solar panels will look pretty old in five years, let alone 10"

Really? I hope you are right, but with rare exceptions (minor details) solar panels today look exactly like they did 5 and 10 years ago. Yes there may be many niche products/designs but they make up a negligible fraction of all solar panels. First Solar's panels do look different from mono/poly crystalline panels which are the norm, but even that difference is mostly b/c their thin film is a different color, and their panels have no frames.
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3 of 10
December 15, 2010
By look different I was thinking more of price-performance, which keep increasing. Thanks for giving me the chance to correct that.
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4 of 10
December 15, 2010
So you DID buy a computer in 1990? If I'm reading your logic correctly, you should have waited until 2010 before ever touching one.

Unlike computers, solar panels produce usable electricity, and in 20 year they will still be doing so, and even still be under warranty for 5 more years. And we can also project that the cost of the electricity being produced will be worth money when fed to the grid.

I hear this objection a lot in my PV sales work, but I'm not sure it's an argument that should halt PV deployment until it's "too cheap to meter". The rigid solar panel has its place here and now, but go ahead and wait for the perfect model if you choose.
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5 of 10
December 15, 2010
First, Westinghouse Solar was formerly Akeena Solar, a former installer of residential solar PV Systems. It's founder Barry Cinnamon invented what was orgianlly called the Andalay system which is comprised of a SunTech panel, enpahse inverter and a proprietory racking system.

Westinghouse licensed its name to Akeena 6 months ago, as it has to a number of other companies - lights, TV, Radios, etc. Other than the name, Westinghouse has nothing to do with the design, production or sale of any of its licensed products.

To answer the question - Would I buy a Westinghouse Solar panel/products, I would check out Akeena Solar on Yahoo Finance, specifically the message board. This is not the company you think it is.
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6 of 10
December 15, 2010
Elmosolar: Thanks for the background. I am new on this beat and don't know where all the bodies are buried yet. I always consider a blog post to be part of a discussion, and you've added an enormous amount to it.
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7 of 10
December 15, 2010
Kenoatman: I think your sales job gets easier if there are standards for panel sizes and standards for connections that customers can rely on. That way they don't lose their investment, even if technology changes.

My son still has a PC I bought him in 2000. He uses it to play older games that don't run on newer models.

My point is that while a 1990 PC is still quite usable, no one uses them because progress has been so rapid. I believe we're going to see the same thing here. And standards would allow people to buy from you now then decide when to buy from you later. It would silence their objections.
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8 of 10
December 15, 2010
Wow.
"tomorrows gear will be even better". How exactly does a 10KW power generator become obsolete? How can you compare a power generator to a personal computing device that relies on (third party) software to be of any value. This is comparable to claiming that the sun will change its photons (probably out of spite to the PV industry) and require upgrades to the PV cells to make energy in the future, or maybe everyone in the future will be required to put three more stories on their houses to allow tenants to move in and use more energy, which would then make your PV system obsolete because there are better cells that can produce more power per sq ft. This is a silly representation of PV. I do agree that the AkeeAndalayHouse solar panels are not evolutionary or revolutionary enough to make me jump for joy. If all we are gaining is saving 15% of the labor which was already only 5% of the project cost (and only a 10% chance of that) we can stick with our "old" technology of rail mounted panels and MC connectors. Finally, I guess Al Gore didn't invent the internet since it was the Military (actually ARPA then renamed to DARPA). Thanks for clearing that up.
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9 of 10
December 15, 2010
The generator itself could stay the same, but one might want to get new stuff to use DC directly without inverting, or to store rather than to send if off.

If the grid were to get more expensive or less reliable, having things modular could make it easier to change things out in ways particular customers may need more than others.

With this sort of discussion, I am reminded of a friend who rigged a video-camera to operate with a car battery in earlier days and of my dad who lived in the FL Keys and so decided to hook a battery to his computer (boats and cars used to hit the power line from the mainland quite a lot).

Then there is the Earthship colony, where one of the covenants and restrictions mean one cannot connect to the grid.

While it seems unlikely neighborhoods could decide to go this route retro-actively, the very possibility advocates for customizing choices for ratepayers and for more of a market for plug-and-play components and ways of making installation/adaptation more straightforward.
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10 of 10
December 16, 2010
Mary-Saunders -- You're right. There are many dimensions of improvement. Durability may be great, and you need that to sell something with a 20-year payback. But if in 5 years you can buy something that pays for itself in 4 years, you may still buy it, knowing that your total investment will pay for itself long before that first 20 years is up if you do.
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