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Don't Like Oil? 'What Else Do You Have?'

By Nathan Schock
December 24, 2010   |   12 Comments

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December 25, 2010
We wish to all our dear readers, partners and followers
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !!!
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December 27, 2010
scientific american says peak 2014. Most agree peak will cause $200 min per barrell. My friend from dubai says saudis are invested in GreenNH3 already. So al-naimi must not be aware what is going on in his own country??
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December 28, 2010
www.WindFuels.com
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December 28, 2010
hydrogen.
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December 28, 2010
The 2010 Constitution of the USA

Treasurynet.US

Article 27.

27.1 - The production, distribution, and utilization of cellulosic ethanol fuel and organic vegetable oil, including hemp, shall be preserved in the public domain as open-source intellectual property expressly exempt from any monopolistic control or prohibitive taxation....

Treasurynet.US

Treasurynet.Org
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December 29, 2010
'What else do we have?'

That's the question, all right. For the US, I think we'll see a renewed buildout of Rail, and if we're watching Switzerland, Scandinavia and Russia, we'll electrify it, too. Just here in Maine we had Pass Rail, Trolleys and Interurbans well into the last century.

The big challenge is can we restructure the business model of rail to prevent the kind of Monopolistic abuses it was subject to? Public Tracks (like the Highways) and Private Co's owning the wheels?

Make it easy to get somewhere by train and do more of the local stuff with Electrics, from Taxis down to E-bikes and that's a big chunk.

Also, though, living far from work and shops is a vulnerable position, and I think people need to be told this. They haven't seemed to notice.

PS, IEA just put the crude peak at 2006 .. but they're not as concerned as the Bundeswehr or the US Military yet.
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December 29, 2010
The price of corn ethanol rises and falls with the price of oil. Corn ethanol will not keep the price of fuel low for consumers. Poet will raise the price of ethanol to match that of gasoline because consumers don't have a choice. They have to use ethanol. It's a government mandate. This is not a free market exercise. It's more of a throwback to the USSR method of top down command and control economics.

Poet is hoping to make more profit with rising oil prices. A captive consumer audience will be providing them that profit.

You know the free market system is broken when the government supports corporate interests over consumer interests.
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December 29, 2010
Options are on their way:

Nissan Leaf Test Drive:

http://biodiversivist.blogspot.com/2010/11/nisson-leaf-test-drive.html
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December 29, 2010
good article with a bunch of response. I'm hoping for a massive wave to eV's. Electricity is domestic so there is an immediate NATIONAL savings, and as renewables come on strong there are numerous ways to create the needed electricity. If and when we as a society can stop sending OPEC nations $3/4 of a Trillion/year we will be that truely great nation we remember. And we can pay our debt again, amongst other things.
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December 29, 2010
PS: I'm surprised no one is applauding our abundance of Natural Gas, as a bridge technology. It is domestic. But it is fossil fuel, and therefore a limited resource ...a bridge technology. I see this as a way to clean up the 18 wheeler fleets with a domestic fuel, fast.
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December 31, 2010
Steve, methane,(CH4) is both a fossil fuel, AND a biofuel.

It can be made easily and inexpensively from any type of biomass. It has a recorded history dating back to 1850---and that was probably based on traditional methods that extend much further back---perhaps to ancient Iran or China.

Nathan---I'm a little surprised that the Project Liberty has focused almost entirely on ethanol production from GM bacteria to produce cellulosic ethanol. (at least in my understanding of what is being done). A more straightforward and economic method would seem to me to be, produce CH4 from the biomass. The methane could be used directly, or if need be, reformed to ethanol or any other liquid hydrocarbon using Fischer-Tropsch process. It might even be possible to come to the point where the stover could be worth as much as the grain
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January 4, 2011
Fred, thanks for the question. Project LIBERTY will generate methane from the lignin after we extract the cellulose and hemi-cellulose to process into ethanol. The methane will be used to power the entire cellulosic facility and the adjacent 2x grain ethanol plant. That's a big piece of how we get cellulosic ethanol to economic viability.
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