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Who Will Be The Steve Jobs of Microwind?

By Lincoln Bleveans
November 26, 2010   |   9 Comments

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1 of 9
November 27, 2010
People have been innovating in this sector for a long time, with very little success. Any small-wind expert will tell you that rooftop wind is a terrible idea: The wind resource just isn't good enough. It's been very tough to create anything beyond glorified art....

I'm eager to see the response from fellow readers.
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2 of 9
November 27, 2010
I agree with Stephen Lacey. Rooftop wind and wind that isn't well above the tree and building line is turbulent and not terribly useful. Add to that the fact that most areas aren't terribly windy and microwind is usually a bad idea.

Power goes as the cube of windspeed and the square of swept area - harsh realities. It can work in remote/windy locations where other options are poor, but to be practical in other areas the units would have to be very very inexpensive and robust - never mind being pleasing designs. Very difficult design targets.

Addressing the load side of the equation is generally a much better deal than microwind for homeowners and most business
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3 of 9
November 27, 2010
"Microwind" has multiple problems, some of which have been mentioned by other commenters.

First, I'd suggest separating "microwind" from "urban wind." The latter has even more problems, associated with the resource itself and with turbulence. There just is not that much energy to capture in most urban environments, and the economics play against capturing it. The best place for wind generators for Chicago is outside the city, in open areas of land or water.

Microwind's biggest drawback is its scale. If you want to make a tiny amount of electricity, then a micro wind generator might make sense. Perhaps you have a boat, a tiny cabin, or some other small electrical load. Most energy users want more than microwind will deliver, so it will be a disappointment.

From an economic point of view, the smaller the wind generator, the more costly the electricity will be. Wind farm machines are getting bigger and bigger because it makes more economic sense. Micro wind generators will tend to make the most expensive wind electricity.

And when you purchase a micro wind generator, it's a bit hard to spend enough to put it on a tall enough tower to get into the good wind you want. This again makes the proposition economically distasteful, one way or the other.

It turns out, unfortunately, that many micro wind turbines are light duty at best, and pieces of crap at worst. Many companies involved in this market are looking to make a quick buck, and it's hard to find rugged, durable equipment that will last for the long haul. If you buy something cheap, you'll likely get what you paid for.

If you're looking to play with wind electricity, micro turbines can be a great place to start. But don't fool yourself into thinking that you will save money or the planet, since this is unlikely in most cases. And wherever you are installing wind generators, follow the industry rule of getting the turbine AT LEAST 30 feet above anything within 500'.

Ian Woofenden
author of Wind Power for Dummie
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4 of 9
November 29, 2010
How about who will be the PT Barnum or Kenneth Lay of micro wind. Bad idea all around people. Go big or go home.
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5 of 9
November 29, 2010
Well, some of the above points are valid, some are not.

Valid: the current offerings in rooftop microwind are saturated with money-making scams selling overpriced, inferior products.

Valid: Rooftop wind resources are turbulent, so HAWT setups cannot be expected to utilize them efficiently at all -- VAWT is where it is at for all except the most reliable wind funnels.

Valid: Siting small turbines is often more work than it is worth, and siting labor is a significant portion of the total system cost.

Invalid: Elevation is king, true. However, this neglects that utilizing pre-existing wind-funnels in architecture is queen.

Invalid: Product cost/watt gets better with larger rigs -- materials cost scales with volume, due to stress requirements. Meanwhile swept area scales, well, duh, by a square function. While most current microwind offerings are overpriced, they could conceivably beat out large wind through economy of scale if sales ever reached mass-production scales. (A big if, though.)

I'd say the best course for microwind is to concentrate on non-grid-tied applications like remote power for relays or lighting, until the chaff is winnowed from the market and the better designs emerge and a decent sized market allows them to shave down costs. Then look again at the rooftop.
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6 of 9
December 1, 2010
Anyone considering investing in small wind should take a look at this sobering report:

http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2009/04/small-windmills-test-results.html
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7 of 9
December 2, 2010
Any hope for a safe low speed / low wind speed / large area solution, like making panels of a PV system or your garden fence oscillate like blades of grass?

It would probably be easier to generate heat than electricity, but then Chicago does get cold in winter.
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8 of 9
December 2, 2010
I think the headline asks the right question, if we're talking about the Steve Jobs who, with Steve Wozniak, hung about as teenagers around the Homebrew Computer Club.

The mass marketers who will dominate this space, and others, are very likely teenagers today. The game is to take industrial innovations down to the hobbyist level and then scale for the consumer market.

If memory serves the chip used by the original Apple II was, what, a Motorola 6502? What will be the equivalent of the 8-bit chip that makes things like that possible?

I don't know but I'm guessing it hasn't been invented yet.
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Anonymous
December 2, 2010
I like John Ricker of Mass Megawatts Wind Power, Inc.
He has some inovative technologies that allow for microwind turbines in relatively low-wind locations and in various terrains. The "MAT", (multi-axis turbosystem) is also scalable to commercial size. Their distinctive feature is use of a wind augmenter system. The turbines can be vertical OR horizontal axis, and the blades can be savonious or propellor style.
The company is attempting to approach a mass production phase having gone public some 9 years ago (MMMW.OB).
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