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Distributed, Small-Scale Solar Competes with Large-Scale PV

By John Farrell
November 8, 2010   |   8 Comments

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Anonymous
November 8, 2010
5.5Kw/m^2? Large scale solar plants are located in areas that are rated at 7-7.5 which throws the calcs off by about 40% in favor of large scale solar. Perhaps your article should focus on the value of DG solar vs the value of centralized solar after adding in transmission and distribution costs which will help quite a bit in DG's direction (but not 40%).
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November 9, 2010
In India,project cost on grid utility based plant is RS 15-17 Cr per MW i.e 150-152 RS/watt app. 3 $ per watt while off grid cost is RS 180 per watt i,e 3.6$ per watt. That way it is cheaper in India.

Dilip Joshi
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November 9, 2010
And lets not forget that any money spent on any PV that is used for heating is money wasted. Solar thermal is also most easily achieved locally.
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November 9, 2010
Russ,

Those prices cited in 1bog.org and openpv are all public and available on their web sites. How is this twisting and turning and deception.

The facts are facts. PV prices have fallen and competition and technical cost savings driven prices down in the last year. Really down. If you'd like to show how published prices are false, please do.

The data from CSI is just old. 2008 prices at best. This is two years later. Welcome to the present.

As to paid advertising, I doubt John, who represents a non-profit, was paid anything to mention these companies. John, can you confirm that?
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November 9, 2010
@Russ

ILSR's New Rules Project is primarily funded through foundation grants. We do not receive any financial compensation for mentioning specific companies. Rather, those companies were noted because their pricing tools are publicly available on their websites and it was possible to generate data to compare to individual solar PV installations.
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November 9, 2010
@Bob_Wallace
I got my information from this news report, so I don't know anything about the cost breakdown. They say the 12 MW project cost $44 million.

http://www.toledoblade.com/article/20100820/BUSINESS01/8190366
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November 10, 2010
John-

Nice analysis. From the perspective of someone who has worked for residential PV installers, I can say from experience that these solar lease programs open up doors for major cost savings for end user and for the installer- specifically because you can order in larger quantities often direct from manufacturer and be much more aggressive in negotiating $/watt costs on modules when you can forecast bigger sales.
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November 16, 2010
Anonymous, Distributed solar is better than your numbers suggest. Best US solar sites, like Daggett CA and Las Vegas NV average 6.5 kwh/m^2/day for fixed flat plate collectors, not 7 to 7.5. Thus the actual difference between a rooftop in LA that gets 5.5 kwh/m^2/day and a large desert power plant is 15% to 18%, not the 40% you cite. Line losses are 8% to 10%, and heat causes desert solar to lose efficiency. These effects erase most benefits of using remote desert sun. 7 to 7.5 kwh/m^2/day requires trackers, which of course you can also put in distributed solar systems and increase output. In most of the Western US distributed solar is a viable alternative to central solar plants, with far less envionmental footprint, and without the need and expense for transmission. solar resource data: http://rredc.nrel.gov/solar/old_data/nsrdb/redbook/sum2/state.html
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