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By Ken Zweibel
October 7, 2010   |   7 Comments

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October 8, 2010
It's not science fiction anymore....from numbers I've seen presented, the installed cost of c-si modules may drop down to about $2.40 a watt....

That's for a 1 MW system, not for residential. But things are moving in the right direction!
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October 8, 2010
13,000 GW solar PV connected to global hyper-grid. I applaud your creative imagination. As I visualize such a system, about one-quarter of the PV would be at full output at any time of day. @ 3000 GW or 3000000 MW. Watts = Volts X Amps Assuming a HVDC transmission system at 1 MV operating voltage then the transmission line must carry 3000000 Amps (remember this is just a dream!)A standard transmission line conductor might be rated for 1000Amps You will need to string out about 3000 1" diameter cables completely around the planet. I can build it if you can get the financing and easements. But wait! We do not need the solar PV at all. We just build the transmission line as a giant winding around and through the earth's magnetic field. The phase shift caused by dissimalr rotation speeds of the liquid core vs. the solid surface should induce adequate circuit currents. It will slow the earth's rotation but that will not matter for hundreds of years.
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October 11, 2010
Ken, you may enjoy some of futurist Ray Kurzweil's ideas on technology. Basically, he points out exponential growth in technology and how it just happens regardless of politics, recessions, etc.... Feel free to correct my numbers, but the idea goes something like this: Didn't we have about 6GW global PV capacity 4 yrs ago, 12GW 2 yrs ago, 24GW now? And price reduction at the same time, even with inflation. Thus, with this 2 yr doubling time, expect 48GW global PV capacity in 2012 and double that in 4 yrs. Within 20 yrs, we are getting towards some truly staggering numbers, along the lines of what you're dreaming about. One could theoretically expect concomitant advances in wind and other stuff we haven't even thought about yet. And how about geothermal, which might actually be the mother load beyond imagination!?
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October 12, 2010
One point you may be missing... as solar powered manufacturing steps into the limelight, costs are going to plunge dramatically. All of the solar carports, lithium batteries and electric vehicle plants will make use of what amounts to solar factories. The cost of mass production will go way down... as will the related goods and services. Once renewables are used to form "renewable capturing" and "renewable utilizing" products.

http://www.cleanfleetreport.com/renewables/ford-focus-electric-car-plugin-hybrid/

This turns the timetable up even more for eliminating CO2 producing energies.
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October 12, 2010
That shudder you just heard was the fear factor of vested fossil fuel interests ramping up...
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October 13, 2010
Pretty interesting scenario! You never know, but as Dennis pointed out, with current (and expected) transmission technology the task of setting up a world wide grid would be daunting at best.

I think that the true hope for the future of storage is in the hydrogen production technologies that are coming on line in the near future such as Dr.Daniel Nocera's work at MIT (http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html).

Another idea is to beef the country's (or continent's electric grid) up to the point where when it was dark wind turbines, maybe from far away, could be providing the juice and vice-versa when the wind wasn't blowing on a sunny day.

Small scale, widely distributed, grid tied renewable energy production combined with wide spread use of electric vehicles (that can be used as a battery when not in operation)could also help overcome renewable energy's intermittent nature.

The keys are beefing up the grid and getting the true cost of fossil fuels to be made a part of their retail costs. If these two things were worked on in a serious manner, fossil fuels would, for the most part, become a thing of the past!

Bob "Free As The Wind" Mitchell
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June 13, 2011
Ken: For a pure solar sci-fi world, I would look toward solar panels in space. Built from materials mined out of asteroids. Here you can transmit energy through free-space and don't have to worry about clouds, etc.

For on-earth sci-fi, solar will always work with wind and hydro. Solar and wind should complement each other well, with hydro to fill in the big problems.

Meanwhile, the world is increasingly battery-powered. Filling up our car batteries during the daytime in solar panel covered parking lots would work pretty well. In a petroleum constrained world, using solar power during the day time to manufacture hydro-carbon liquids for military use would still be cost effective.
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