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Why China Has Already Overtaken The U.S. In Cleantech

By Dallas Kachan
August 10, 2010   |   10 Comments

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August 11, 2010
The United States would be 40 years ahead of China in clean energy production if the Reagan administration didn't cut all funding to clean energy and direct it to fossil fuel production and nuclear. And now the Republican party blocks everything that has to do with clean energy production except nuclear. Fourth generation nuclear uses spent fuel to produce electricity but it is extremely pricy at 20 billion per plant and 10 years to production.

The U.S. could surpass China in clean energy production if they started funding geothermal and Wave Energy (that use the oceans waves and turbines) production, but the U.S. will not do that because the Republicans will block every clean energy bill that comes before them except the bills that will direct the majority of the funding to nuclear or fossil fuel.

So, China, until the U.S. finds a way to control its stupidity and the Republican party, you have no fear in leading the world in clean energy production. Congratulations in being intelligent enough to know how to take advantage of a very stupid and powerful nation like the U.S..
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2 of 10
August 11, 2010
James,

I completely agree that the Reagan administration's cut to funding for clean energy has set us back significantly, and that nuclear is much more expensive (and risky) than political propaganda would ever let on. Last summer Standard and Poor's promised to downgrade any utility planning to build new nuclear for exactly this reason.

Just out of curiosity, why do you prioritize geothermal and wave energy R&D over wind and solar? I've always wondered how much potential they can have given how location specific these technologies have to be. I'd love to get your thoughts on that, and you can also send us questions or comments at http://www.getsolar.com/blog. Thanks!
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3 of 10
August 11, 2010
It is high time the world latched on to this God's free gift to mankind. I think we should put up CSP plants wherever there is an energy crunch. Now. Some countries like India and Pakistan are suffering a lot with load shedding. They have good lot of sun and a lot of waste land - desert why not give them this technology. Pakistan coastal belt also has some wind. In some places there is wind too in India. But renewable energy is not yet considered it looks like. We at Renenco are trying to help people overcome the shortage of power both by wind and solar at a micro level. But we want CSP for the macro. How do we get it at affordable prices that the country and people can afford. We are keen to have the technology.
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KJ
August 12, 2010
Yes, China has been mentioned again and again as overtaking the US in renewable power and coming much closer to energy independence that we in the US. I think that perhaps China is much closer to energy independence is because they can produce a reasonably priced solar panel. What happened to 'as solar becomes more prevalent, prices will drop?' Our solar panel prices are way to high to be an effective alternative power generation source.
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5 of 10
August 13, 2010
Living in China I see no evidence that they have developed or used clean technology of any kind. The coal fired power plant being built nearby will use locally available high sulfur coal and has no scrubbing or clean technology of any kind, just plain old cheap 1950's technology with computer controls on the feed, they even have men with shovels for the coal feeder and waste.

All of their solar is sold outside the country except for seconds which are used locally for signs and street lighting such as amber flashing lights and warnings.
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6 of 10
August 13, 2010
I don't disagree with the comment that China has overtaken the U.S. in all of the areas noted. It is especially disconcerting that the U.S. is such a laggard in terms of nuclear power. Aside from the wrongheaded perspective of many environmental groups, the protocol in the U.S. for procuring and design/build of nuclear facilities is inefficient and archival.

Also, let's not forget that China has exceptionally low labor costs and because of 8 to 10% growth over the last four years and they have the luxury of a large trade surplus. The Chinese have a plethora of resources to commit to alternative energy development. Additionally, be mindful that China may be one of the worst polluters in the world. Their skies are brown from industrial pollution, the rivers are toxic and noxious, and land contamination from all manner of manufacturing waste is off the charts. We should also be reminded that China is building the equivalent of one coal-fired power plant a week to meet their electricity requirements. Even at their present rate of alternative energy development, it's unlikely that they will be able to make a positive impact on their own environment.
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August 13, 2010
Should we consider nuclear energy clean tech? No we shouldn't! No we shouldn't! And even if some high tech fix renders all the nuclear isotopes now slated for Yucca Mountain inert and insure plant safety it still can't be called renewable. I hear Bill Gates is investing in some scheme to run Nuke plants on depleted uranium. Well he has already pledged to give half his fortune to charity and can lose most of the rest with no worries but the rest of us would be materially better off on a Vegas spree. I can be written off as behind the times perhaps but my nephew is affiliated here:
http://www.snakeriveralliance.org/

I just wish I could claim some credit foe seeing he was raised right.
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August 13, 2010
jamesdavis,

If we assume all the data in the article is true, of course china is ahead, they have more people, more people to employ.

As far as blaming reagan and the republicans, go and speak with some module manufacturers and they will tell you when demorcrates are in control, state incentives go down. If your not familiar with NY's incentives, check it our! And oh, by the way, we have a democrate controlled state.

When Reagan was in power, It was a different time, different era. With all the investments of many scientists worldwide, and we only have a mid to high teen average when it comes to efficiency on our PV modules. Do we blame republicans for that also?

Please remember, if states take away incentives for wind and solar, the industry dies in this country. Nobody would buy solar because it cost too much and payback may not happen in your life time! If you don't believe me, check out how many states don't have incentives and see where they are when it comes to becoming green.

And by the way, democrates have been the biggest push for not building power plants, regardless of what type it is!
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August 13, 2010
I have been going to China about 2-3 times per year since 2004. We co-produced the first international conference on renewable energy in China in 2006, the Great Wall Renewable Energy Forum. I'll be in Beijing September 24-26 to co-chair the Brookings Institute summit on renewable energy.

I'd like to say that this article is the most accurate statement I have read in quite a long time. We in the U.S. have a tendency to do the post-WWII "we are the leaders" thing even when it is not true. This article sets the matter straight.

Let me share this with you. In 2000, we had 5 PV manufacturers, and China had one. Now, in 2010, we have 5, and China has 528. Think about it.

In 2000, we had one large wind turbine manufacturer (GE), and they had one (Goldwind, founded in 1999). Today, we have two (GE and Clipper) and China has 87. Think about it.

What is it about these numbers that we Americans do not understand?

We have been blown off the map on renewable energy manufacturing. I wonder, at what point will our national government realize what has happened and take action?

I call upon all who read this to reach out to your government leaders to educate them on what has happened.

Thanks for your support on this,

Mike Eckhart
President
American Council On Renewable Energy (ACORE)
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Anonymous
September 26, 2010
Some think the Republicans represent the status quo and don't want change. They say the Republicans fear the loss of power over the masses that renewable energy brings, especially distributed renewable energy, that decentralises the power generation base and the power that governments have over the population. Lets face it, we are all economic slaves to the energy industry, addicted to the consumption of energy. Because 90% of the worlds wealth lies in 10% of the populations hands, renewable energy and especially distributed renewable energy, represents a major major threat to the distribution of wealth globally. The more renewable energy penetrates the main stream, the less revenue governments and the energy industry will make over the longer term. The knowledge of how to generate domestic power on the cheap will become more widespread over time. This means less dependency on big power generators and less income for them and their wealthy shareholders and less tax revenue for governments. This is said to be one reason why governments have been slow to act. However some countries with massive power shortfalls like China, have no choice but to embrace renewable energy as a large majority of their population still don't have western world standard power access and the cost of coal and nuclear is way too high to meet the needs of all, especially those in the rural areas, of which countries like China and India have a significant representation of their population based. Of course the USA is now being left behind in the renewables race, and that is going to be a huge cost to bear in future.
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