Profile Network Activity Comments Articles Blog Bookmarks Contact
 

Filling The Gap Vermont Yankee Could Leave

By Graham Jesmer
August 26, 2010   |   11 Comments

Do you like this blog post?

Email   Bookmark Bookmark   Print   Share
 

The information and views expressed in this blog post are solely those of the author and not necessarily those of RenewableEnergyWorld.com or the companies that advertise on this Web site and other publications. This blog was posted directly by the author and was not reviewed for accuracy, spelling or grammar.

11 Reader Comments
Comment
1 of 11
August 26, 2010
Why do you keep repeating this tired old and false scare mantra -

"The plant, which is owned by Entergy, makes up 33% of Vermont's overall power mix, a potentially serious gap that will need to be filled in order to keep the lights on."

VY's electrical output represents only 2 % of the New England grid's power. There is a surplus of power in the New England grid. When VY closes it will not be noticed. The lights will not dim, the lights will not flicker, there is plenty of available power. Do the lights go out every 18 months when VY refuels the reactor? No. So why would it be different this time?

There are a plethora of available safe, green alternatives waiting to be developed as soon as the VY dinosauer gets out of the way of a green, safe, energy future. Your grandchildren may someday ask you how you could have ever allowed nuclear power to blight their genes and chromosomes.
Comment
2 of 11
August 27, 2010
zeitgeistsurfer,
I would like to correct your many severe misconceptions you have going by your 8/26/10 posting. I hope you have time to read my reply, as it is quite lengthy but informative for your own sake, and yes, you need to know the information to stop spreading your misconceptions to others.

I find it ironic that you take this article to be a scare tactic and mention the "scare mantra" in your opening sentence but have no problem using a scare tactic yourself for your final sentence warning of "blight" to your grandchildren's genes and chromosomes if nuclear power is not eliminated. How this is not a contradiction of your own thoughts and opinions used to respond to this article?

Please take this advice before you post another comment for a professional journal. No matter how much you think you know there's always someone out there that knows more. I hope you realize your comments make you look like a fool to many industry professionals who have a vast understanding or more educational experience than you regarding of the topics in this article. The colleagues I know are shaking there heads at what you wrote and some find it amusing, as if you're just another general public simpleton. Is there any reason why you did not sign your name to your comment? Is it because this was this just a mindless jab at something you know nothing about?

Your remarks about the electrical transmission system and nuclear plants are a little off target to say the least. I think uninformed people like your self get their self-proclaimed nuclear and power generation education from watching episodes of the Simpsons and from that, the assumption that there's phosphoric green goo dripping everywhere inside the Vermont Yankee plant as well as three eyed fish in the Connecticut River, or that your grandchildren's genes will somehow be mutated.

As an engineer within the power plant/power generation and transmission industry (including the understanding of nuclear plants)
Comment
3 of 11
August 27, 2010
(Continued)
I have to ask you what your general knowledge base is or what prior education has given you to make such bold, uniformed and quite frankly, ridiculous remarks on readers comment section for a professional journal. Are you trying to make yourself look like an idiot; I mean what's your angle here? What right do you think you have to just pour out a thoughtless remark about genes and chromosomes of our grandchildren being affected by nuclear power when you don't (and probably can't) give any evidence to support the bases of your accusation. Your comment is comparable to an elementary school student walking up to another kid and saying, "You're a big fat stupid" and then walking away. From Graham Jesmer's past contributions, he seems well informed on the issues concerning the topics brought forward by Renewable Energy World, including this article. By-the-way, If my grandchildren ever inquired about and asked "how you could have ever allowed nuclear power to blight my genes and chromosomes" we would all be dead. Genes and Chromosomes are not affected or do not mutate from any source of radiation, they only die from it after intense exposure as do all living cells. If anyone suffers from radiation poising or lives in a radioactive environment, they CAN'T pass it on through genes or chromosomes. There are only acute and chronic problems from radiation, including Lymphoma (cancer) and obviously possible birth defects AFTER CONCEPTION that could be caused from high doses. Again, if my grandchildren posed that stupid question to me I would have to question my son or daughters parenting skills by allowing them to have offspring in a highly radioactive environment. I would also scold my on or daughter for raising such naive and ill informed children and proceed to educate them myself on the facts; which would be that they have three arms and four legs FROM LIVING IN radioactive conditions that their moronic mother and father put them in.
Comment
4 of 11
August 27, 2010
(Continued)

THE FACTS:

There's NEVER a surplus of power; power supply must always meet power demand to maintain the standard North American 60 Hz frequency. In North America we are in the eastern interconnection, again at 60 Hz. A true power surplus would mean a frequency above 60 hz (more supply than demand) from combined high generator voltage phase angles. This would mean that motors would spin faster than nameplate ratings and other electronic/electric equipment cycling would increase to the point of inevitable failure, resulting in equipment damage or loss.

So, there is not really a continuous power surplus with the ISO-NE control area. What we do have is a control area CAPACITY surplus slightly over 30,000 MVA; though much of this installed capacity comes from expensive fossil generating units such as coal, oil & gas. It would not be economically feasible to run these units all the time during normal peak ISO-NE power demand times (usually 18,000 - 25,000 MVA during mid summer and mid winter peak hours). This is why ISO-NE constantly imports relatively inexpensive hydro energy from Hydro Quebec (IESO Control area) and also keeps the inexpensive NUCLEAR UNITS online CONSTANTLY.

This Hydro Quebec power, about 1,650 MW daily, is imported through the Phase II DC tie line through New Hampshire and the Highgate DC tie line in Vermont. ISO-NE also imports (economically cheaper) power from the New Brunswick Control Area. All the imported (Canadian) power and a fair portion of New England nuclear power doesn't go directly to users in the New England Control Area; some of it is sold off again by market participants and transmission/ utility owners to the NY-ISO Control Area for a tidy profit. So the name of the game is BUY LOW from available inexpensive NE nuclear or low load center generation in Canada, and SELL HIGH to a higher load center area in New York. That's just business and economics.
Comment
5 of 11
August 27, 2010
(Continued)

Unfortunately, what we New England end users inevitably pay for are generation and congestion costs associated with transferring that cheaper power through our control area to foreign load centers. So if VY goes offline permanently, congestion costs increase and so will your power bill.

If Vermont Yankee does go offline for a scheduled refueling or AI outage, yes, the lights do not dim or flicker as you wrote, but what does happen is that those expensive fossil or fast start (aero derivative jet) generators come on to make up for the 600 MVA deficit. Also, VY is located fairly close to New York (as transmission lines go) and ISO-NE Total Transfer Capability (TTC) will not change much when the VY reactor is decommissioned. The power coming from those other generating units or from Canada must flow through more transmission lines and from greater distances; across NE to NY, thus creating more transmission line congestion and power losses. So a VY outage also entails financial/revenue restrictions that would and do effect the markets which will, again as stated previously, affect your electricity bill in the long run. For short term VY refueling outages, this would not greatly impact your local electricity bill, but for a permanent shutdown with no IMMEDIATE LOCAL GENERATION AVAILABLE TO MAKE UP THE LOSS, there would be an inevitable chain reaction that would eventually increase those electricity rates, which is what this article is actually about, right? You stated, "When VY closes it will not be noticed." I wish this were the case but it's just not true.

Many people don't really understand the dynamics of electricity or that power flows from a high power angle to a low power angle; low power angles are from heavy load centers like Eastern Mass. and Southwest CT. Much of the actual power from VY doesn't even go to Vermont consumers.
Comment
6 of 11
August 27, 2010
(Continued)

Most of Vermont Yankees power flows to Connecticut in the South (heavy load center) or West, sold to the NY-ISO Control Area (for Southern NY; another heavy load center). Vermont's relatively small power demand comes from a supply of local generation, power from New Hampshire tie lines and the highgate DC Canada tie; the excess of which is directed to lower power angle tie lines (higher load centers) with NY or MA/CT.

So what's the solution to making up the VY 600 MW deficit? As for green generation that you seem to be interested in, a "plethora of available safe, green alternatives" is certainly not the case. Wind power produces about 2 MW per acre but that doesn't include turbine blade special requirements' which increases that to a 1:1 ratio of 1 MW per acre. Vermont seems to have the wind speed ingredient, but are you aware of the decibel levels from the blades breaking through the air? It's about 80 DB's 500 feet away from the turbine. This is at 75 degrees and 50% humidity on flat ground. Could you imagine in Vermont's cold climate, let's say 40 degrees, hilly terrain, 65% humidity? I wouldn't want to live within 10 miles of a 100 MW wind farm. Vermont can surely accommodate some farms but just does not have the special requirements to make up even half of its native load. The noise pollution is terrible alone and also the leading con against the wind power craze. I've been to a 100 MW farm in Minnesota on a cold day (20 F), the monotonous pounding noise impacting the waves of air is nightmarish! As for Photovoltaic cells, they produce about 12.3 KW (or .0123 MW) per acre, THAT'S PER ACRE ON SUNNY DAYS. Are you sure that costly installation in a mountainous/hilly terrain like Vermont is feasible for the long term solution? Is there enough space to supply even about ¼ of Vermont's 2,500 MW average demand? Burlington, Vermont has an annual sun forecast of 60% cloud cover during daylight hours. So is this an economical solution? NO, no and no.
Comment
7 of 11
August 27, 2010
This is why Photovoltaic technology is popular for southern and western areas with sunshine and plenty of space. I don't think an environmentalist like you would like to see Photovoltaic and wind farms deforest Vermont to maintain power demand, right? Fun fact, solar power operates off of light waves, AKA RADIATION waves traveling at the speed of light from the sun, a RADIOACTIVE source of energy. Didn't you ever see the warning signs on large solar panels that say "Avoid exposure to panel reflection" or something like that. Now thats a radiation concern!

As a global whole, nuclear units have an impeccable safety record compared to conventional and green (YES, GREEN) power generators (8 deaths alone from wind turbine construction and operation from 2009 - per OSHA). Yes, there is always a safety concern of radiation, much of the concern is directed at older 1950, 1960 and 1970 era units that did not meet the strict requirements the NRC now has when they were constructed. Vermont Yankee has met or exceeded all NRC safety regulations for its entire existence. Can you prove otherwise? Nuclear units produce inexpensive power due to the fuel source and emit zero greenhouse gases from the steam generation process. For there plant size they produce over 110 MW per acre of owned property alone; about 200MW per constructed facility! If you think nuclear generation is not the way to go, then why has President Obama, no doubt your liberal pal, given blessing to the new nuclear plant revolution? NRG is constructing multiple nuclear units in Texas and Oklahoma and many more companies have received permits for construction as well for many other states. The government, as stupid, slow and idiotic as they can be, now even see the true immediate concern with pollutants destroying the protective atmospheric layers and see the need for greener nuclear (yes, zero emission nuclear) plants as a viable alternative for the future. THIS IS WHY THEY ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED AGAIN!
Comment
8 of 11
August 27, 2010
(Continued)

The rest of the nation is moving forward while Vermont has chosen to take a step backward. And people like you wonder why the electrical consumption rates are the highest in the nation. When VY shuts down, you will literaly pay dearly $$$$.

Do you want scary? How about the stone cold fact that most of modern day submarines have there nuclear rods over 90% enriched and a typical Boiling Water Nuclear reactor has only about 15% enrichment. My fear isn't nuclear plants, it's the many highly enriched MOBILE subs out there, anywhere, many owned by 2nd world countries, navigating the world's precious marine ecosystems. For us in Connecticut, the Groton sub base is more of a concern than Millstone Nuclear Station will ever be.

Todd - New Haven, Connecticut
No image available
Comment
9 of 11
Anonymous
August 30, 2010
Feel better now Todd?
BTW, you lost me at "before you post another comment for a professional journal". This is just a blog where people post opinions. No-one reads anything longer than a few lines, so I hope you didn't postpone anything important to compose your post.
Comment
10 of 11
November 11, 2010
Todd,

Very interesting and informative. Thank you for your effort.
Comment
11 of 11
December 11, 2010
Todd,

The task ahead is to find common ground. Any successful debate about VY and the future of Vermont's energy will need to be civil and reasoned and to the point. Unfortunately it will be difficult for people to listen and take you seriously and find common ground when you are not civil, reasoned and to the point. Let's hope our policy-makers can do that and will be influenced by the best unbiased information available and not dollars from special interest lobbyists.
Add Your Comment

Registered users, please make sure to Sign-In. We and others want to know your ideas and opinions. If you are not yet Registered -- it's quick and easy. Just click below.
Thanks!

Register Now   Sign-In

Graham Jesmer

View Graham Jesmer's Profile
About: I am currently a second year Law Student at Vermont Law School where I work as a Research Associate at the Institute for Energy and the Environment writing and ... more »

Advertise With Us

Maritime Geothermal AWS Truepower, LLC FC Business Intelligence Alpha Technologies Applied Energy Technologies (AET) Idaho Department of Commerce Stoel Rives LLP
World's #1 Renewable Energy Network
PennWell
Renewable Energy World Magazine International Renewable Energy World Conference & Expo North America Renewable Energy World Conference & Expo Europe Renewable Energy World Conference & Expo Asia Renewable Energy World Conference & Expo India Renewable Energy World Conference & Expo Africa
RenewableEnergyWorld.com Solar Power Gen Conference & Expo Hydro Review Magazine Hydro Review World Magazine
HydroVision International HydroVision Brazil HydroVision India HydroVision Russia
Twitter Facebook Linked In RSS Feeds e-Newsletters