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Solar Photovoltaics (PV) is Cost-Competitive Now

By Ken Zweibel
June 28, 2010   |   16 Comments

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16 Reader Comments
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1 of 16
June 28, 2010
Excellent post!
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2 of 16
June 28, 2010
Ken: There are some very ambitious statements in here.
If you are in India where cost is the biggest consideration and so is temperature (100 + for 5 months and 80+ another 4 months ) loss of efficiency and degradation are very serious concerns. Sure you can go for think film or even polyc in large installations and reduce the cost to $3 ( we are seeing Euro 2.60 per W as average cost.) But the question is what is the long term performance and output guarantee? And will the film hold for 5 years. 10 years, 25 years? The Feed In tarrif is in fact pretty good. We can get 35 to 40c per kwh for 10 years. But can we be sure of the output? No wonder people are going for the cheapest technology because no one believes any of the modules will give anything after 5-8 years. Will there be a bankable guarantee on output? Can I cash a bank LC if the output drops? I think all technology claims have to be backed by money otherwise they are just that, claims...
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3 of 16
June 29, 2010
ajeyG

Those temperatures sound hot, but are not that extreme. Panel manufacturers will tell you how much performance changes with change in temperature--it is simple physics and you can test this yourself--that is not an unknown and therefore should not be a "concern".

Also most silicon panel manufacturers warranty product for 20 years or longer (assuming some modest annual decline < 1%/yr -- this is also well known physics), you should be able to get bankable guarantee fairly easily--although depending on your project size this concern could limit the companies you consider buying from. If you go with a thin film product you should certainly look to get a 10+ year warranty.

Since you have not named a specific company, it is impossible to respond with any greater specificity to your concerns...other than to say that (in general) solar panels perform as expected. That said if you are trying to shave a few pennies buying product w/o a warranty, then you are assuming more risk than you should (and certainly more risk than it sounds like you are comfortable with).
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4 of 16
Two points:
1. The issue of temperature affecting performance and long-term degradation is one that remains important, especially for any new PV technology and new company. Each has a challenge to reach the levels now assumed for the mainstream PV options, c-Si and CdTe from FSLR. But as others have said, the operating issues are fairly well understood, even at the temperatures of India; and the warranties are in place for 25 years or more.
2. My main point is that there are now two major sources of non-CO2 and regionally available electricity, wind and PV, that are adequately inexpensive in locations where they have access to the best resources (wind and sunlight). They can be major contributors to reducing CO2 intensity and diversifying away from fossil fuels. Wind in the US is now a quarter the size of hydro and growing rapidly when it has incentives; and solar should rapidly follow that energy-significant growth curve. We should not narrow our view of solar PV to merely rooftops, even as fine an application as rooftops are. Society will spend much less per kWh, and get many more kWh for what it has to invest (which is not infinite!), subsidizing large solar in the sunniest places - just like it does large wind, in windiest ones.
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5 of 16
June 29, 2010
If you have a lot of heat, solar thermal is really sweet.
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6 of 16
June 30, 2010
Ken, I would like to see solar become a major player in the US. I have an idea for making that happen that would cost virtually nothing. Would it not be possible for the federal government to make a loan to anyone that wants to set up a solar system and then simply collect monthly fees for the electricity produced. After the loan is paid off, ownership of the system would revert to the installer.
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7 of 16
Anonymous
June 30, 2010
The south east of US has lots of 100+ degree days, but solar is still very much the step-child. Power is available at 11c/kWh, so there is no incentive to try alternate sources of power. The man-on-the-street doesn't really care whether the power is from 'clean coal' or 'renewable nuclear'!
Our local power producer has just built a huge facility for themselves with walkways and garages and there is not so much as a solar cell to be seen! They are building another nuclear power plant for billions of doallars.
I have talked to builders about installing solar thermal in their new developments - no takers!
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8 of 16
June 30, 2010
"One could argue for a power purchase agreement to sell the electricity for 10 c/kWh and a 0.5% per year inflation clause and get the 5.83% return indefinitely, like a perpetual bond or an annuity with no end date."

Perpetual? The panels will not last forever. At your 0.5% annual loss rate the panels still put out 60% of rated power after 100 years. I'll take the under on that bet. And even if the panels do degrade at a miraculously slow rate, O&M eats a bigger piece of your revenue each year and eventually renders the panels obselete. A portion of your 5.83% return is thus return of capital, not actual return on investment. ROI would be less, probably somewhere in the 4-5% range.

On the flip side, 10 cents/kWh is a bargain for daytime power in the SW US during the summer and shoulder seasons. So I do agree large-scale PV is now cost-competitive in that region.
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9 of 16
June 30, 2010
Two money quotes:

"There is no one price for PV, because sunlight varies, and system costs vary with size and design. Large systems are cheaper than small ones."

"Society will spend much less per kWh, and get many more kWh for what it has to invest (which is not infinite!), subsidizing large solar in the sunniest places - just like it does large wind, in windiest ones."

Biodiversivist
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10 of 16
June 30, 2010
I'd support the bet of (over) 60% in 100 years. What's to wear out? The performance of the silicone chrystals themselves will not deteriorate. The remaining time specific loss is highly variable and subjective.
The glass surface is 'century plus' durable, so the next weak link would be the wiring chases. They could justify being renewed in the long term.

We may want to consider that distributed solar thermal is also watts of power, and if any renewable electricity is used for heating, it is wasted investment because distributed solar thermal is far more efficient and cheaper to buy per wat produced, even when considering that the hardware will not have the same life span.
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11 of 16
June 30, 2010
Dear Ken Zweibel,

I am Gilda, from Mozambique. I like reading your posts! Congratulations for the very eloquent, interesting and teaching posts in your blog. I wish I could hear your opinion about Pv for the developing countries like Mozambique, where we have sun but no technology in place. Electricity is not available in all places. It is still a facility to find in towns and most places from the rural areas still relay on biomass. Is there any possibility for a partnership for installing or selling Pv system for disadvantaged people in the rural areas?

Hoping to hear from you or any reader that can help.

Sincere regards,

Gilda
(gilmonjane@gmail.com)
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12 of 16
June 30, 2010
I agree that soon your solar solution will depend on where you live. We are still in the very early stage of solar development (analogous to before the Model T for cars). I think that concentrated photovoltaic (CPV) will be a huge winner within 4 years. Anywhere you have a lot of direct sunlight (about 1/4 of the US and about 85% of Australia), CPV is already cheaper. There is already technology being tested to increase efficiency and concentration, both which will lower the cost. It seems all the different solar technologies are getting cheaper and more efficient. Some of the leading solar concentration companies are Amonix (www.amonix.com), SolFocus www.SolFocus.com, and I also know of a start up (Sol Solution) that separates and concentrates the light cheaply (www.Sol-Solution.net).
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13 of 16
June 30, 2010
I would put up 3 KW for $9000 in a minute but where does one get a price like that.
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14 of 16
Anonymous
July 1, 2010
Ken,
No "reasonable" solar investors are looking for 7% returns--this IRR is below even the lowest targets of 2008--double digits are now the norm.
Your production assumptions are very aggressive and your long time involvement with FSLR appears to continue to cloud your judgment...we have spoken several times and you consistently pump FSLR's offerings.
Lastly, the less than $3/W price is only found in very large arrays that are turnkey developed by FSLR--NO long term (real world) data is available for FSLR's product--only your lab work.
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15 of 16
July 6, 2010
Dick,

In GA you can put up a 4KW system for less than $9K after federal and state incentives.

http://www.u-renew.com/georgia_residential_solar_incentives.php
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16 of 16
June 13, 2011
@anonymous: The "man on the street" does care where there power is coming from. In Austin, TX, certified green power costs 10% more than brown power, and customers are willing to pay that extra cost.

The man on the street may like "clean coal" and "renewable nuclear", but that isn't what the are going to get on a hot sunny day. You're going to get hydro, or gas, or PV.

Arizona may be a bit screwed up. They like their coal power, and may have regressive electricity pricing structures. However, here in California, you cannot get electricity for 11c/kwh, especially during the day, especially on a hot day.

So, yeah, Ken's production assumptions are all screwed up: he isn't selling his electricity for anywhere near what it's worth.

Even though you can make money putting up large scale PV in the desert, that isn't where the real money is going to come from. Transmission lines have their least capacity on hot sunny summer days. And with BIPV, you essentially get the installation for free: instead of installing composite shingles, you install a different material that happens to produce electricity as a side effect.

The desert is a fragile environment, and building transmission lines across the desert is not attractive. The roof of my house is already a trashed ecology.
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