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What Building Owners Need to Know Before Going Solar

By Jen Lynch
March 29, 2010   |   8 Comments

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March 31, 2010
Jen,
Another alternative is thin film which requires no roof penetrations nor ballasted systems. In Florida, where we have no snow concerns but do have significant hurricane concerns and plenty of rain, these systems provide advantages - no penetrations as they can be glued down to a TPO layer roof. This eliminates any high wind or hurricane concerns for uplift.

While thin film is less efficient, they are also less expensive and for warehouse roofs where space is not typically an issue, these kinds of systems can do the job very well.

I have a question: How much additional power gets produced on a daily or hourly basis by these more efficient inverters compared to their cost (based on a given standard set of assumptions) from using these inverters and what's the payback period if they're installed versus a regular inverter ? If these inverters offer pennies worth in incremental increase in power but costs hundreds or thousands more, it could be hard to justify the additional expense. How much more do they cost compared to similar sized inverters from other leading manufacturers ?

Thanks
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Anonymous
March 31, 2010
Why not thinking about solar thermal? 75 % Efficiency!
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March 31, 2010
Excellent article on mounting options. A problem now occuring in Ontario is competition for roof space between solar PV and solar thermal. Signing a 20 year PV contract will prevent that roof from accomodating solar heating panels in future unless a PV Thermal system is part of the PV installation. A building owner must ask whether a 12% efficient PV system will be replaced by a 50% PV/T system soon and what are implications of signing a multi decade contract with old technology. 20 years ago, a cell phone could only handle voice, now it has evolved into a multifunction device. The same will happen with roofs that have the ability to capture more solar energy and perform both solar electric and solar heating for the building. Buildings in Ontario need heat and solar heating should not be set aside for decades.
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March 31, 2010
I must have missed something; what the heck does the type of inverter have to do with Roof mounting?.. Next: Jen you started out Ok and you are correct on the ballasted versus structure mounted...to a point! See: Opel tracking mounts www.Opel Solar.com point is there are better ways...
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March 31, 2010
Thank you for all of your comments and feedback. You've given me more questions to answer and I look forward to providing further response as soon as I can!
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March 31, 2010
Jen:

Ontario has huge weather extremes, from -40F in the winter to +100F in the summer. This is very damaging to roof membranes, and we have lots of problems with leaks around existing openings in the roof. HVAC units, roof drains, equipment stack are the single greatest source of roof leaks. Anyone who puts a hole (or 200) in a roof to support solar panels is an idiot!! Anyone who glues down solar panels to a sloping roof is also not thinking straight. Not so much for snow, but for dirt accumulating on the panels cutting down the power production dramatically.

Using ballast is a big problem, because roofs are generally not designed to hold 10 pounds per square foot of additional stone or concrete pavers on a roof. And the cost of moving and installing ballast on a roof is not minimal.

As far as who is installing the systems, a contractor will be installing the racking and any necessary reinforcement of the rooftop, not a Structural Engineer (I'm a structural engineer). The roofing company will most definitely cut the hold in the roof, as well as seal up the hole in the roof, or there will simply be no way to maintain a roof warranty. As a point of interest, except for membrane roofs, most roof warranties are 2 years, not 20, and placing that many holes in a roof will most definitely void the warranty. Only an idiot would go ahead without the warranty issue resolved.

Rooftop solar is a very difficult issue at more northern latitudes. You have only touched on the very surface of these issues. I fully believe that there will be a complete flame-out in the Ontario market as roof membranes start to fail, some roofs collapse under the load of too much ballast, and former "burger flippers" posing as solar experts put the industry in danger.

Unfortunately, well meaning but half-baked blogs, faintly covering an advertisement for Atlantic Wind and Solar, will only do harm to the industry. Mis-information is worse than no information at all.
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Anonymous
April 1, 2010
I agree that there are many obstacles to installing PV systems on rooftops in Canada, mostly of a structural nature due to the added dead load to the roof as well as wind and snow loading considerations.

Neither Jen nor any commentators mentioned the possibility of installing a PV system on flat roof requiring neither fixed nor ballasted mounts - Solyndra CIGS solar modules. Although not having the track record of crystalline or other types of thin film, Solyndra modules are well suited for buildings with white (or light coloured) flat roof and add only 3.3lbs per square foot of distributed rooftop load. Load distributing feet are available to better distribute the point loading on the feet of the mounts. This system eliminates much of the structural engineering and potentially costly roof reinforcement that is becoming evident with many flat roof buildings across Ontario for fixed or ballasted crystalline PV systems.

Also, regarding grid-tie PV inverters for rooftop (typically 3 phase) applications, Jen mentioned that "Conventional inverters turn on at 320 VDC". This is incorrect. In the case of Satcon Solstice, the MPPT and DC-DC conversion that takes place at the string level within the Subcombiner box (as opposed to within the inverter for almost all other products) needs only 100Voc to start and has an MPPT voltage window of an unheard of 50-600VDC. I don't know much about Atlantic Wind & Solar's CIT (not much is available on their website), but Solstice also starts up at a very low DC voltage.
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April 6, 2010
Solyndra does do a good job with their system, but like everything else there are downfalls to the building integrated flexible membrane approach. Rooftop space is very often an issue, and Solyndra's panels are much larger with a lower maximum power output. They are also much more work to keep clean, especially after the winter season. I have seen several commercial buildings with Solyndra's flexible membrane panels, caked with mud and dirt. As they are flat panels the water and dirt doesn't run off anywhere, but just stays where it is and drys.

Also, I realize that not everything can be crammed into this article, and it isn't really geared towards this topic, but one thing building owners should consider even before solar is energy efficiency. Although a lighting retrofit or a boiler upgrade isn't quite as "sexy" as a set of PV panels on the roof, on a large commercial building, energy efficiency will save money by requiring less solar power.
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