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How Much Could We Save If We Harness Solar and Wind with Electric Vehicles?

By Ken Zweibel
March 9, 2010   |   7 Comments

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March 12, 2010
Too bad GWB didn't read this before investing probably a similar sum in Iraq. I have always thought that investing in renewables would have been a better deal for the US.

As to missing EVs, they are here and now. PHEVs like the Volt and plug-in Prius go a long way in transferring from oil to electricity. When people realize how cheap electricity is to fill up your tank, they will start coming over in droves. However the spin machine of Exxon is working overtime to prevent this from ever happening. But they will be running out of gas (pun intended) and oil prices will start shooting up, recession or no recession. Already here in Spain I'm seeing the pump prices going up 0.5 or 1 cent every few days, and it is more of a depression here (22% unemployment).

Instead of moaning about the lack of electric transport, go out and buy a PHEV or EV as soon as they are ready, even if it costs a bit more. Better than sending your son or daughter to fight in Iran or Saudi Arabia for a dwindling resource.
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2 of 7
March 12, 2010
Nice one Ken. Expect to hear from the folks peddling "clean" coal.
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3 of 7
March 12, 2010
" By 2024, our outlay is smaller than our savings"

HA ! Knowing the instant gratification US mentality, a payback over 14 years is not acceptable to the average voting Joe Sixpack.

However, that approach is now slowly being rolled out in the E.U., since by 2020, we will have to get 20% of our energy supply from RE energy resources, European Commission Directive law as a stick to get things moving forward.

This is a great article.
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4 of 7
March 12, 2010
$2/W all-in for solar is optimistic but might be doable in this time frame. 60+ year life spans with no O&M is optimistic in any time fame. Also, Powder River Basin coal is less than $1/mmBTU, changing your analysis dramatically. But the big issue is storage. You can't just hand-wave storage, it's the biggest single cost in the whole equation. Whether that storage exists on EVs in the form of $10,000 fuel tanks or as part of a smart grid the cost is prohibitive.

The storage problem is not impossible to solve, but it's silly to pretend it's already been solved.
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March 12, 2010
Nice article Ken although, as the above comment indicates, perhaps a bit too optimistic. Rerun the cost analysis pairing each renewable generator with an appropriate amount of utility-scale storage which is what would really be needed. Electric vehicles are great but their adoption past the early adopters will be much more difficult than proponents imagine. And, V2G is an illusion wrapped in fantasy. Why? It is not a technical issue but one of how this matches with current ways of doing things. Will consumers allow their primary vehicle to be used as storage for a utility? Never! Can I afford to get into my vehicle at any given time of day only to find that the battery has been drained by the utility? Not hardly. How long will it take to recharge that electric battery? Several hours, not the 10 minutes it takes me to go down to the filling station to gas-up and be ready to roll. And, if I'm stuck in LA gridlock with the battery draining down while I'm going nowhere and run out of "juice," how would I quickly fill up? I'm not going to even bring up the issue of battery manufacturing and recycling at scale. Don't get me wrong, I love electric motors and they'll burn the doors off of any ICE in a 0 to 60. But there are significant limitations that will effectively limit their market penetration in any real world scenario. I suggest becoming a student of Everett Rogers, author of nearly 50 years worth of "Diffusion of Innovations" to study more about the innovation adoption process in the real world and the characteristics of innovations that either foster or retard their adoption.
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March 12, 2010
Thanks for mentioning compressed air as a storage medium. Wait till air power cars come out. There's also Hydrogen for fuel cell vehicles, that counts as electric right ? I think concentrated solar power will cost less than pv , especially with stirling engines. Hydro power is a primary source not a back up. All coal plants should be converted to natural gas like yesterday, as well as vehicles.Imagine the jobs created just converting our vehicles to use our natural gas. Nuclear should be switched to thorium. Don't get hung up on pv because NASA has better toys in the closet.
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March 17, 2010
It's far more beneficial, practical and lawful to allow a free and fair market-based solar economy.

Abolish fraudulent central banks and their military-industrial complex and mandate our public treasuries to issue appropriately valued Renewable Energy Credits (RECs) directly to individual (legally transparent) owners of renewable energy systems:

RothschildMotors.com/solarbank/renewableenergycredits.html
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