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Should Solar Sales People and Crew Be Smoking Cigarettes? Probably Not.

By Tor 'Solar Fred' Valenza
January 12, 2010   |   23 Comments

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23 Reader Comments
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1 of 23
January 13, 2010
I'm not a smoker, so I personally agree with you about the benefits of not doing it....

However, I've had plenty of work done on my house, and a lot of the contractors smoked. It doesn't ever bother me. I'm judging them based upon the quality of their work, not whether they smoke or not.

Hopefully, people would think the same way about solar installers.
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2 of 23
January 13, 2010
Interesting question. In general I'd agree with Stephen that as long as the work is sound, it shouldn't matter if the workers smoke.

But in the case of solar and other renewable energy industries, maybe there's a case to be made for discouraging smoking among installers, technicians, etc. If I'm right in saying that renewables are still in the process of gaining truly broad acceptance and support among the general public, then little things like solar installers smoking may in fact matter. A big part of selling a homeowner or business on investing in PV panels or a thermal system or whatever is the attraction of the green/clean image and philosophy, right? So even though it shouldn't matter, a salesperson reeking of smoke may be sending a subtle signal to the potential buyer, undermining the concept of solar as a "clean" technology.

Or maybe not. But it's a question worth considering.
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3 of 23
January 13, 2010
Thanks for your thoughts, Stephen and Jeremy. My point was more along the lines of Jeremy's comment that it's these subtle things like smoking that may sway a sale or future sale one way or another.

That being said, I know a lot of non-smokers that shrug at cigarette smoking workmen, just as Stephen said. And of course it's the quality of the work that counts. So perhaps this really should be exclusive to sales personnel.

At the same time, advertising that you have an all non-smoking crew and sales consultants might be the tipping point for someone to call one contractor over another in side-by-side ads.
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4 of 23
January 13, 2010
Good article Tor,

Sales is about image. Contracting is about work—Not that salespeople don't work. But, simply stated, the image they project is a critical part of their work. It might be ok for the basement coal-tubine-monger to huff butts, but we all know that RE is better than that. And it is vital to the industry that our salespeople "Mind the addiction."
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5 of 23
January 15, 2010
Of course smoking is bad for you. However, I think it makes little difference, if any, to somebody thinking of getting into renewables. In fact, those who were smoking outside were showing consideration for others. Exactly what I would want in a sales person or installer.

I think people like Mr Valenza cheerfully vote for higher taxes on smoking. Taxes that pay for everything except aids to stop smoking. In my mind, this is no different than a drug dealer. I wouldn't buy anything from a drug dealer. I don't think anyone else should either. I would not do business with Mr Valenza in any way shape or form.
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6 of 23
January 15, 2010
Clever post! But I've got to agree with Stephen here . . . I usually simply feel sorry for someone who smells like cigarettes.

I'm wondering if I should spritz away my coffee breath before my next meeting.. :-)
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7 of 23
January 15, 2010
Gary, I don't understand your point about taxes and drug dealers....It doesn't make any sense.

I do, however, agree with you that it probably doesn't make a huge difference if someone smokes or not. Not any more than any other profession, in my opinion.
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8 of 23
January 15, 2010
I smoke, and I support the right to smoke,. Your article is enlightening, the points and questions made are valid. Many employers have a no smoking on the job policy. After due consideration I will give it a go and see if sales improve. In hard times like these , every sale helps.
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9 of 23
January 15, 2010
All else being equal, A skilled worker who smokes is less productive and raises the company health insurance premium. Smoking does not make you smarter or better at anything. It is a dirty habit and causes many construction site fires. Many construction employers ban smoking on the job and enforce the rule with cessation help and eventually firing the employee.Second-hand smoke is an identified health hazard. An employer has a legal obligation to provide a safe working environment. In many states it is illegal to smoke in the workplace, which is broadly defined and includes industrial construction sites.The taxes paid by smokers pay only a small fraction of the medical costs incurred by society as a result of smoking. Perhaps smokers will be motivated to quit if employment opportunities are restricted. One large employer in my area has >800 employees and tests for nicotine in random drug tests. People get fired for smoking off the job.
This topic has little to do with solar PV but is very relevant to the need for professionlism among installers.

Years ago, workers on automotive brakes would wear their work clothes home with a little asbestos dust sprinkled on it. You can not smell it or see it but when 8 year old kids started developing asbestos related cancer, simple jobsite changes were made which eliminated the threat to families of the workers. Second-hand tobacco smoke has also been linked to childhood cancers in the families of smokers.

You have a right to smoke, just not to exhale
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10 of 23
January 15, 2010
This country has bigger problems than smoking, and when the tax revenue dries up from tobacco . Let's be civil. As our liberties disappear. They will tax solar panels to pay for medical costs related to burning of fossil fuels.
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11 of 23
Anonymous
January 15, 2010
Really?!?! we want to link smoking and solar expansion in the same battle? Idiotic.

Population is getting out of control...contributing to further pollution and increased demand on resources...smokers are doing us a favor. They'll die sooner.

Ford Eversun
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12 of 23
January 15, 2010
Thanks for bringing up the subject of workers' behavior. A more direct question is should solar business people use solar and practice wise energy use? Would you buy a Prius from someone who does not drive a Prius? Would you buy a solar power system from someone who does not use solar? Would you buy PV from a company that does not pay its employees enough to afford a PV system? Imagine if everyone in the industry bought PV for their own house. Imagine if people in the industry made their homes and workplaces more energy efficient. Imagine practicing what we preach.
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13 of 23
January 15, 2010
Thanks all for your thoughts on this post. I'd just like to remind everyone that my intent here was not to preach against smoking. This post is about business and sales. So, it is not personal, but more about converting sales and customer service.

In fact, in answer Naomi above, yes, it probably would be a good idea to spritz away coffee breath before your next meeting. I've said it before in earlier posts that you can only make one first impression, and since every sale counts, I don't think it's unreasonable to attempt to reduce any and all chances of making the customer pick up the phone and call someone else.

In that spirit, I'm going to add a few more things to show that this is not just about smoking, but really about making the best impression possible on every customer.

Primarily these tips are for sales people, but I do believe that the crew is a reelection of business too.

>Make sure you've shaved in the morning and your hair is combed. If you have a beard or mustache, keep it groomed and free of whatever you had for lunch.
>Wear a clean shirt without stains, rips, or tears. Same goes for work shoes. (I'm also a fan of company shirts, whether it's button down or polo. You're a walking solar ad.)
>Don't chew gum or have anything in your mouth except your sales information.
>I'm not against food. I eat myself every once and a while. I still say you should have a breath mint to disguise any strong tastes from lunch. Same goes for any drink, especially alcohol.
>Make sure you know how to pronounce your prospects first and last name. If you don't know how because it's long and complicated, ask. Probably isn't the first time.
>Check the mirror to make sure you don't have anything in your mouth left over from lunch.

I could go on. My point here is that it's not just about smoking. Insert x. Sales, whether it's solar or anything, is about service to the customer. That's key to both the sale and to later referrals. If you think it's just about you and your lifestyle, then I hope you always find customers with exactly your lifestyle. Perhaps start a solar business targeting only smokers. Don't have any statistics, but my bet is that this is a small niche and that you should be casting your net wider.

Thanks again for everyone's thoughts here. I hope I've made myself more clear about my intent. It's not about you. It's about business and helping to convert more sales.
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14 of 23
January 15, 2010
I would have to agree. Customer facing employees need to project an image that is inline with that of the company and the industry. I don't know of any solar companies that have invested in a Hummer as a company car probably because it does not send the right message to prospective customers. I do know of several who are using hybrids.
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15 of 23
January 15, 2010
Tor,

You always seem to find interesting vantage points on how to gain a potential advantage in the solar market. I believe your point is valid, not exclusively to the RE world, but to the business world in general. Having smoked for most of my life, I quit five years ago. Up until the last couple of years, I never realized how disgusting the smell was to others. Now I avoid smokers, probably more so than people who have never smoked. I believe my longterm use of tobacco allows me more latitude to express my true feelings without having to tip toe around the political correctness, so as not to offend or upset the 'poor little smokers' of the world. It is a difficult habit to break, though - in this information age, responsible adults should know by now that smoking is becoming less and less accepted throughout our society. More importantly, negative behavior breeds negative results. By quitting this harmful and distasteful habit, a person has everything to gain and nothing to lose - and yes, I think you will open more doors when you are absent the smell of smoke.
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16 of 23
January 15, 2010
Tor,
I agree with all of your assessments. Sales is also mostly about knowing your target audience and creating the relationship. If you are meeting your prospective customer at the local smoke joint, then you should bring a pack that your customer enjoys. If your prospect regularly sports bedhead and noodles in their beard, then I don't think that it would be terrible if you did as well, although I do not recommend it. Maybe you win that job because you related to the customer better than the other eight sales people did. Funny? Not really. Its all about the relationship that you can build with the customer, so don't ruin the opportunity to create one in the first meeting by doing something stupid that didn't have to do with solar.

Unfortunately, our target solar prospects are usually single system purchasers. Solar sales people usually have no idea what the personality traits of the prospects are until they meet the first time. In this business fist impressions are everything, so your best bet is to not make any impressions other than you AND your company's professionalism, expertise, abilities and experience designing and delivering solar solutions.

The prospective customer may not make a final decision to buy from you on the first meeting, but they can almost always make a final decision NOT to buy from you within the first five minutes. Their first impression of Company X's sales person carries great weight on the customers decision of which company to purchase from.

Its not only about looking, dressing and smelling nice. Company X is also wasting precious leads by sending someone with little or no knowledge of the product or service. Know-how and professionalism go hand in hand.

Overdoing it is also bad. Do not show up to a site visit with a suit and tie and Gordon Gecko hair and shoes and then go crawling through attics and roofs. We are contractors, and sort of like the military we can show our professionalism and expertise wearing situational appropriate gear (Dress Blues to events and Camo on the battlefield).

Finally, once the project is yours, the crews must also practice the same professionalism and expertise. The entire company from the CEO to the janitor should all understand the importance of this image. Even though this was a one time purchase the customer's impression is not complete until the installation is complete and then the cycle begins all over again with that customers word of mouth referral.

Example of customer telling neighbor "Company X's sales person was extremely knowledgeable so I bought the system, but I have been cleaning up cigarette butts and burrito wrappers ever since. Ya get it? Now the first impression for Company X is completely out of the control of Company X and in the hands of customer. Its a vicious cycle.***Chris Bunas - Sunterra Solar Inc
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17 of 23
January 15, 2010
Thanks all again for your support on this topic. I do think it just comes down to good customer service.

Joel, regarding your comment about solar installers and salesmen walking the talk by owning their own systems. I think the answer to that is yes, of course they should have solar ...if it's possible.

What I mean by that is that many people rent. Others own, but have too much shade ore the wrong orientation. Others bought at the wrong time, and like many prospects, perhaps don't have enough equity to get a loan. There are a lot of good reasons for salesman to not have solar, while still believing in the technology.

As to companies paying their sales consultants enough to afford one, that's a can of worms I can't address in a general way and I think off topic from this particular post. But perhaps a future post...
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18 of 23
January 15, 2010
gary-reese just to make sure you understand the worlds biggest drug dealers are our governments who sell tobacco and alcohol the worlds two deadliest drugs, then followed by pharmacutical companies
preception is a continual creation of new relationships within the neural network.
may you grow both older and wiser
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19 of 23
January 17, 2010
Wow! Tor, you hit a nerve here. This smoking issue has 3x the comments as others on global warming and carbon accounting. Hmmm. How do we harness this "smokin-hot" topic for the bigger picture?

Guess I can't recommend "take a deep breath."

ps: i just hate the butts.
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20 of 23
January 19, 2010
It's only a suggestion, Kevin. There's no requirement for anyone to follow free advice and I don't mean to insult any installers. Installers like you are my heroes. Really. I'm a geeky solar advocate. Solar can't happen without you, as much as I can market and write about it. I want you all to sell as many systems as possible. When I was a kid growing up in New York, I dreamed of covering Manhattan rooftops with solar. If installers have to smoke to make that happen, so be it. I was just trying to help with see another customer point of view that might help close another sale. But I understand where you're coming from and I sincerely apologize to all those skilled solar installers who smoke. Truce.
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21 of 23
January 19, 2010
I'm not an installer. I work for a manufacturer and wear a suit to work.
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22 of 23
January 19, 2010
Smoking is just bad all around. Solar business or not. I see tons of cigarette butts on our streets, that is a big problem period. Now let's get to work.
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23 of 23
January 19, 2010
Given the choice, I would always choose a contractor that does NOT smoke over one who does -- even if it cost more. Tobacco is the Devil.
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