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News Comments Sections are Killing Solar's Reputation. Why You Should Give a Shiny Penny.

By Tor 'Solar Fred' Valenza
November 10, 2009   |   16 Comments

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1 of 16
November 10, 2009
Hear, hear Solar Fred! This is another way to "hit the street," as you say.

I try my best to peruse comment boards of different sites, but one person can only hit so many websites. If we deploy an army of educated, non-off-putting solar advocates, we could get a lot done.

And one thing: Don't always be combative. We need to admit when solar won't do the job too. Just because we love solar, it doesn't mean that solar is always the best technology, no matter what. Engaging in debate means seeing both sides of the issue....
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2 of 16
November 10, 2009
100% with you Stephen. Solar is not the answer for every situation, and we need to own up to that. Many have an issue with the chemicals used in solar manufacturing in countries like China where the chemical waste is not as regulated and does environmental dammage. We need to own up to that and find solutions.

Solar isn't perfect and we can't portray it that way. But it is still portrayed as too expensive and not a viable energy source. In many states, it's affordable now with all of the incentives, and of course, we all know it's a viable and clean energy source.

Thanks for the props, Stephen.
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3 of 16
November 10, 2009
Hi SF:

Let me tell you, you don't have to look to blogs and John Doe public to get misinformation and wrong info.. About one week ago, I sat down in room 105 of the Rachael Carson office building in Harrisburg, PA for a meeting on the solar rebate programs in the state of PA. This was hosted by the state program officials.
One solar contractor in the room of contractors asked when the state was going to start including solar space heating in the program not just hot water systems and PV. After a couple of no-answer answers, one contractor spoke up and said that the ROI and wasted heat in the Summer made it not really worth while to do...
THESE WERE suppose to be SOLAR PEOPLE!!!!!
To put a not to soft point on it, I think in the 30+ years I have been involved with solar, I have never seen an industry/environment where one person just has to say "something" and all of a sudden it is the GOD's truth!!!
IN SHORT... so many lemmings... so little time...

.....Bill
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4 of 16
November 10, 2009
Excellent call-to-action Fred.

My personal crusade is countermanding the "Earth4Energy" people who impersonate solar informers on the web, fooling people like you and me left and right unless you dig in and block 'em. Build your own solar panel? Yeah, right.

But being proactive on comment sections is another solemn duty we should all perform, thanks for pointing it out.
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5 of 16
November 11, 2009
Thanks for posting this, SolarFred!
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6 of 16
November 11, 2009
Good thoughts, Fred.
I am a regular poster on this and other sites. I am often contrarian but try to be polite. I usually direct my comments towards other commentors. My personal focus is technical training for electricians and contractors. I believe that the residential rooftop will be the center of America's long-term energy future. It may have solar hot water and PV on it but what really matters is the attitude towards conservation and efficiency in the people living under it.
Excessive emphasis of the residential roof top as a business or employment opportunity ignores that actual installation statistics, even in California.


Thank you veterans.
Visit www.helmetstohardhats.org for a gateway to a career in the skilled trades. Most renewable energy system capacity in the US is installed by industrial contractors using skilled trades people on utility scale projects.
Good luck and welcome home.
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7 of 16
November 11, 2009
Thanks all for your thoughts here. Please continue to add more , but also, hope you'll take the time to spread this post around through email or whatever, so that we can get an army of informed 5 minute solar advocates on the nation's presses. Thanks.
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8 of 16
November 11, 2009
Hi Fred:
I'm truly glad to see your comments here. Much like yourself, I am already doing what you suggest. It really galls me when I make an informed comment on solar energy and some pro-nuclear or coal type gets in and accuses me of outright lying. It happened just a few days ago. Naturally, I was furious, but at the same time I understood that I couldn't possibly call the ignorant so-and-so the same thing.
What the pro fossil fuel folks constantly harp on is the low cost of that form of energy production. I usually ask them what the end cost might be if they would care to factor in the $70 billion in subsidies compared to the $1 billion (or so) for solar.
Not to mention the centuries long bill for looking after nuclear waste, the effects of all that lovely extra C02 we get to help with heating the planet...you know all about that.
I note with considerable interest that First Solar now has panels in the $1.50 per watt range. Surely, that puts our clean energy in an excellent position to counter these artificially low energy comparison costs.
I don't know about you, but I have been living on solar power since 1997, so it is with a small amount of experience that I speak.
And you have my promise that I will continue to correct these detractors where and when ever possible.
Today I am mourning the loss of my dad in WW II when I was ten days less that one year old. I know that he would have been a great advocate of solar energy.
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9 of 16
November 11, 2009
There is an active behind the scene campaign by the geothermal HVAC folks to discredit residential solar and wind energy. Every presentation made by a salesperson to a homeowner or at a home show gives a black eye to the residential RE industry. They are not the friends they claim to be. They obviously view us as a threat to their well being.
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10 of 16
November 11, 2009
Cocobolo, thank you for your efforts and thank you for your father's sacrifice. From what you say, I'm sure your father would be proud of the time you've spent protecting the earth as well as this country by using and helping to educate others about solar.

I wish I could say that I own solar, but first I have to own a house.... At that point, it will be solar PV and hot water for me. In the meantime, I'm happy to help others who can go solar, and also help solar businesses to effectively get the word out about its savings and benefits.

Bill, haven't heard about the HVAC folks, but all the more reason to get the word out to educate consumers before the HVAC people visit. As costs come down in solar--and they already are as you probably know--it will be less of an either or choice and perhaps the HVAC sales people won't feel so threatened. Naturally, it would help if all of us and their own products they would create HVACs that are as energy efficient as possible.

Thanks to both of you for commenting.
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11 of 16
November 12, 2009
Hi SolarFred-

We do a solar-sales seminar, and in that we address 15 of the most common misconceptions about solar. I've been meaning to put it online as a public service. We even have an easy to remember domain dedicated simply for that purpose (we won't be doing any advertising on it - it's explicitly for the purpose you outlined here), where people can simply refer others. It's fairly well documented from reliable sources (like NREL) so people know we're not just making the numbers up. I could get it up probably in the next week or so.

I'll let you know when it's up.
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12 of 16
November 12, 2009
David, that's a wonderful service to the public and to the solar community. We do our own version on SolarPowerRocks.com, as well and I really think that everyone should do their own Top 10 or 15 Solar Myths.

Nevertheless, getting people to your website is a just a part of the solution. I'm really encouraging people in this post to politely INTERACT with the reporters and especially web commenters that are knee-jerk anti-solar and spreading these misconceptions.

Thanks again for your efforts.
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13 of 16
November 13, 2009
Precisely SolarFred. Like your resource (a nice one incidentally - we'll definitely link to you), ours is intended not to just educate the critics, but to educate enthusiast. Cutting and pasting a URL is useful, but it's far more useful to have educated enthusiasts who know what to say when misconceptions and myths are painted as fact.

This is a problem in fact ... and we've probably all seen solar (and other green tech) get a black eye because someone who was defending it was obviously just hopping on the "go-green" bandwagon. That looks bad.

Admittedly we want as many on that bandwagon as possible, but we need to educate them (as your website does) and present solar as not just "the thing to do", but present it as the intelligent and wise thing to do, as backed up by statistics and facts.
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14 of 16
November 13, 2009
All good stuff, David. Thanks again and thanks for the compliment. Appreciate it.
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15 of 16
November 13, 2009
Here's your chance to add to the conversation. Check out this blog in the NY Times:

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/is-solar-power-expensive-or-competitive/

I just added my perspective. Please add yours! I'm sure the coal lobby is gearing up their own comments as I write this.
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16 of 16
January 2, 2010
Thank you so much for this.
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