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PV: Selling the Wrong Product

By Steve Nelson
October 19, 2009   |   4 Comments

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October 27, 2009
Hmmmm, I am trying to wrapmy head around the idea of the payback being wrong. Now to echo some of the other postings, if you could buy a carthat would eventually pay for itself don't you think that would be the fastest selling car on the market. Solar certainly is so much more than a good idea it makes ecological, environmental, and economic sense. Why does it seem that most solar professionals think the ecnomic portion of the equation is less important.

I can see that we don't want to be every other sales person. In fact I would go so far as to say we don't ant to sel PV at all. We want to offer it to our customers as a solution. But in truth, we are a capitalistic consumer based society that is driven by supply and demand. We create demand by offering a better product. PV is made better by the very fact that it is the only appliance that can generate income.

Ray
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October 28, 2009
Steve, I totally agree. Other products people purchase do not offer a payback so why PV? There has to be some method of madness behind such schemes. SHW has a payback based on the energy saved from not using fossil fuels. PV has a similar payback but it is mainly based on contracts and government implemented schemes. Why do grid tied systems have to be so large and expensive to ensure that you cover all your electrical needs? What happens to these wonderfully worded contracts down the road? Will they still give you what they promised when you installed the system? Will the electric company with which you made the contract still be in business or will they sell out, making your current contract invalid. Then what do you do with all the power you generate? I foresee electric companies charging customers to feed into the grid. Just like you mention with cable TV. TV reception had been free for years, getting you addicted, now you need a part time job to pay the cable bill.
Better education of the product and it's uses is what is needed. Not everyone needs to grid tie. Small, non-grid starter systems can be cheap, and once installed, others will see it in action will hopefully catch on and install a small system for themselves that they can eventually grow and expand to cover all their electrical needs with the savings they accumulate. Neighbors could join forces and install larger systems, minimizing components and maximizing panels, to cover several homes.
In my opinion, solar should be used to reduce or eliminate your dependence on the power companies, not to support and back up their infrastructure. This is why SHW is hardly ever mentioned, because you can't feed hot water back into the infrastructure from which they can profit by selling it to your neigbor who does not have a solar system.
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October 28, 2009
Steve:
Your points are totally correct: In showing the merits of a solar water heater recentlly, I was asked,"What's the payback?" I said,"Do you want the "wiseass answer" or a numerical answer?" He said,"The wiseass answer." "Ok," I said,"when will your present water heater pay for itself?" That seemed to satisfy him.

I have answered in other ways, such as: "If your power company is not able to deliver, will you think about the payback, or feeling GOOD because you and the family have hot water?" and/or Do you want my payback answered on rates staying the same, decreasing or increasing? I'm quick to point out that if his neighbor takes the tax credit and he does not, he is getting shorted.

I like answering a question about payback with a question. What is the payback on independence? AND-These days a man must earn $ 1,400 to pay a $ 1,000 annual electric payment. But you are not taxed on the KWHs you harvest.

And last: Want to increase your home's value by a non-taxable $20,000? Then reduce your power consumption by $ 1,000.

Jim Lindsey www.solarplexuskw.com
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October 28, 2009
Hi All,
Steve raised a right point here, but the consumer tends to make a comparison between alternatives available to him. PV sellers are annoyed by the payback issue because the result of the calculation is many years. Solar hot water usually pays quicker, while the solar air heaters for industry and agriculture that our company (Q Solar) manufactures, pay back thair total cost in about one-two years. We have the two main calculation ways on one of the pages of our website: http://www.q-solar.com/article/economical-calculation-solar-heating.html
and it illustrates what Steve, William and Fred said here.

Unfortunately, consumers got so used with very long payback for solar devices, that they become suspicious when we offer so short paybacks. They do not understand that it is a totally different technology. This may be one another important issue on the downtsides of payback approach: it tends to produce confusion because people tend not to understand differences betweent solar technologies.
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