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New Siemens Research Turbine Commissioned at NREL

October 20, 2009   |   5 Comments
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This turbine project is part of a coordinated wind research program supported by the DOE Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.
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October 21, 2009
It is worth noting that the DOE has had no megawatt class research turbine that can be called its own until now, something from which data is freely available to, for example, the academic community which could very well descend on this turbine in droves. Contrast that with the many test nuclear reactors scattered around the nation in past years. It's as though wind aerodynamics is all cut and dried, a hand-me-down from aviation, but it isn't. Compound that with the competitive need for keeping data secure, the result being that nothing is known technically about these big turbines outside of a few pioneering companies on the world stage. That's fine. Let's find out about the foundations and maybe a few other things as well.

Tony Chessick
IntegEner-W
Tehachapi, CA
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October 27, 2009
That is not a turbine; it is just another propeller driven windmill. That is not advancement in wind energy technology; it's more of the same technology.
Low Pressure Turbine Dynamics as demonstrated by the Baker Wind Turbine is a major breakthrough in wind energy technology yet NREL refuses to recognize the technology or to test the model.
Low Pressure Turbine Dynamics is free to Siemens or any other manufacturer. I am trying to advance science not put anyone out of business, that is why the technology is available to everyone and no one has ownership.
Siemens could develop high speed eclectic locomotives with wind powered turbine railcars with this technology. If enough forced air turbine railcars were operating on a grid at the same time; they could electrify the entire grid. Now, that would be, a major achievement for Siemens in the development of green energy.
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November 3, 2009
For Windcatcher: I learned once that the law of "entropy" says you cannot produce more energy from a system than the system consumes. I'm intrigued by the idea that a road locomotive pulling a string of wind turbine freight cars could put more power back into a grid (assuming an all-electric or diesel-electric locomotive of substantial horsepower) and a pantograph wire over the rials to pick up the generated electricity from the cars. Could you expand on your explanation, or provide some website sources for further information on the Baker Wind Turbine, etc. ? Thanks...
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November 7, 2009
For geoff-steele-67209:
In order to withstand the greater stress from high speed air movement, be it forced air or natural air flow, we need a dynamic more advanced than the archaic propeller dynamic. A high speed locomotive traveling from 50 mph. to 150 mph. (plus any additional natural wind that is moving) has very high air energy potential.
At 60 mph. (still atmosphere), for example, with air movement at 810 ft. lb. per sec. has about 1 ½ horse power per square foot energy potential. Test model #3 Baker Wind Turbine demonstrating the Low Pressure Turbine Dynamic has a wind intake that is 6' wide, 6' high and 12' deep. The turbine has a continuous 108 sq. ft. of cupped surface area to catch the wind and because the turbine has flow through and rotates in the same direction the energy force is moving; the turbine has very little wind resistance.
If a solid wall was rated at 100 for wind resistance; the turbine dynamic would be rated at 20. Model 3 would produce an estimated 160 hp at 60 mph. A streamlined railcar with only the turbine dynamic exposed to the wind would have 4 rows of turbines the width of the railcar and produce about 1,200 hp of energy at 60 mph.
A streamlined diesel/electric locomotive train set with two air turbine cars and 5 passenger cars would save substantial diesel fuel costs. The lightweight air turbine car would produce more energy than it would take to pull the car weight plus wind resistance at 60 mph. Figuratively, on the Northeast Corridor between New York and Boston, if enough high speed air turbine cars were in operation, they could conceivably electrify the entire electric grid.
The 6 or the 8 helix Low Pressure Turbine Dynamic is the only dynamic that will work smoothly for high speed air/ electric generation and it's free, compliments of the inventor, in spite of NREL.
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November 27, 2009
for Geoff-Steele-67209 No reply? I had hope for a physics discussion, science discussions are so hard to find these days. I must add that a high speed train traveling at 150 mph. has other special forces to consider as well, one is centrifugal force in the turns.
The revolving air turbines act as a gyroscope so that in the turns the low revolving body will create a lateral counter force to the centrifugal force which wants to throw the mass off of the tracks in the turns. This added angular momentum lateral counter force enhancement to weight distribution will enable a train to take turns at higher speeds at a lower angle. If course, the faster the train goes the more energy the air turbines produce and the more lateral stability the train has. The new air/electric turbine dynamic and its gyro effect in the turns could possibly enable a high speed train to break the threshold of 310 mph. set by Japan.
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