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Making Clean Energy from Waste

By Glenn Croston
December 1, 2008   |   11 Comments

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"With all of that in our advantage, we are likely well below our competitors in cost however you look at it."

-- Wes Bolsen, Chief Marketing Officer and Vice President, Coskata.
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1 of 11
December 1, 2008
This is really interesting. It seems like a great solution. I am sure the technology is proprietary and cost prohibitive. Either way recycling and reusing the material is still an excellent option especially with electronic waste.
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2 of 11
December 3, 2008
Theorectically, if the US uses 12.5% of MSW for WtE, eight times the number of plants could be built, or about 700 more.
Talk about a boost to the economy - hundreds of thousands of jobs to build and maintain power plants.
Talk about a positive impact on the environment - nearly eliminating landfills and the associated air and groundwater pollution.
Talk about solving the challenges of hazardous waste by eliminating them. Talk about reducing the use of fossil fuels - WtE plants generating electricity to replace oil, gas and coal.
Could it be this easy? Could it be that it is too simple?
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3 of 11
December 3, 2008
The PEM system sounds great, but I am left wondering where the carbon in the organic debris eventually ends up? As carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, me thinks. Steve Webster
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4 of 11
December 3, 2008
Greenhouse growers need carbon dioxide. I think of the hydroponic red-pepper growers on the flats near Vancouver, B.C. I have paid $6.99 per pound to eat them like apples in the dead of winter. They are so good.

If you have a greenhouse monoculture of plants, they generate too much oxygen. Growth slows because they need CO2.

Some people solve this by raising plants and animals in the same place. The animals give off CO2 and use the excess oxygen. Putting plants in a gym makes sense for other reasons as well. If I owned a gym, I'd put in lots of citrus, especially Clementine tangerines.

One of my favorite permaculture visuals of mixing plants and animals is growing bamboo under rabbit cages. The bamboo grows up and gets eaten by the rabbits, which then provide fertilizer for the bamboo.

For greenhouses, some growers use old fruits or other sources of sugar, sprinkle yeast on top. This generates CO2, without the bother of putting their exercycle in there or raising rabbits or something.

There are other uses for concentrated CO2. It's a matter of catching it before it scatters into the atmosphere. I do not see CO2 as a useless waste product.

Dry ice, for example, is inexpensive to buy at a local grocery, and it has many uses. It comes with lots of small print which I recommend reading.
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5 of 11
WTE is not all mighty, at least not for Municipel waste. The potential energy in MSW is low and the output is a lot of CO2, (NOx can be reduced with urea) but even worse: 25% exits the incinerator.
I wonder what mass balance has this Plasma Melter when filled with MSW? Is it a kind of gasifier?
We really need an appropriate alternative to landfilling and incineration. So any real solution is welcome and if realistic, shoud be running to get experience
Jan
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6 of 11
December 3, 2008
Folks:
I will appreciate contact information for all companies which design, build or sell low temperature, slow pryolysis of woody mass and which make syngas and biochar.
Jim Miller
jimmiller5417@yahoo.com
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7 of 11
December 3, 2008
SSTP's Vertroleum(R) Gas Suitable for Use in Siemens Gas Turbine Generators
Tuesday November 11, 9:40 am ET

SSTP Has Created a Total Energy Solution Turning 'Trash to Gas to Cash'

BAYTOWN, TX--(MARKET WIRE)--Nov 11, 2008 -- Sustainable Power Corp. (Other OTC:SSTP.PK - News) announced today that Siemens Energy USA has advised that based upon the specifications obtained, SSTP's Vertroleum® natural gas product can be employed in Siemens' combustion turbine generators. Siemens gas turbines generators are utilized in electric generation facilities not only throughout the United States, but throughout the world. Siemens provides complete electrical, engineering and automation solutions in hundreds of locations. Based on the AMSPEC reports obtained on the product, SSTP gas can be employed in Siemens combustion generators for the production of electricity.

Traditional methods for utilization of municipal solid waste include landfills, which produce methane gas at a rate of approximately 20 kWh per ten tons and incineration generators which produce approximately 5,200 kWh per ten tons of waste. The SSTP process produces more than 50,000 kWh from the same ten tons of municipal solid waste.

Robert Jones, Sales Manager at Siemens Energy, advised, "I witnessed the SSTP process and reviewed the specification reports from AMSPEC. Not surprisingly, our combustion engineers found the gas specification to be quite suitable under adequate volume and pressure. I am pleased with the progress demonstrated by SSTP of taking waste and turning it into a commercially viable fuel."
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8 of 11
December 3, 2008
http://www.sustainablepowercorp.us/images/amspec_oct_2nd_letter_and_results.pdf

http://www.sustainablepowercorp.us/images/amspec_GC_test_results.pdf

http://www.sustainablepowercorp.us/home.html
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9 of 11
December 6, 2008
Smacks of PR puffery to me. What, no downside to plasma? If it's such a no-brainer, then why isn't it turning the waste-disposal industry on its head overnight? I'd be happy to see some disruptive tech being applied, but I think there's more to the story than is being told here. Is there a working full-scale version of this technology, even if only for demonstration purposes?
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10 of 11
December 7, 2008
pants: There is an economic model [blackmon's?] for integration of new technology into the market. I wish I understood it, and I wish more posters would look at the results: Everything takes time if left on it's own. If it is hindered and crippled, it takes more time.

The market [people who have lots of money to invest, and pay scientists and engineers to look these ideas over] is interested. Let's see what happens. If you have venture capital, you shouldn't throw it at everyone who can put together a news story, or you won't have any venture capital left. If you don't put it to work on something new, you can only reap the gains the conservative market offers, which are today approaching negative numbers for some of yesteryears 'sure bet' investments.
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11 of 11
December 7, 2008
Everything that works today was someone's stupid idea once. Cars, electricity, clothes made from synthetics, frame houses, airplanes....

Someone took a chance, educated or not, and won big. There are [always have been] lots of ideas. Some will work, some won't.

Despite disinterest, the alcohol fueled car has been making 'comebacks' and 'news' for over a century. Here is yet another way of producing alcohols from trash. When engines are sold that use alcohol efficiently, we'll have the cart and the horse.
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