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Researchers Explore Hybrid Concentrated Solar Energy System

By Jennifer Runyon, Managing Editor
November 3, 2008   |   13 Comments

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"Traditionally, these kinds of systems have been built with expensive, specialist concentrator cells. We'll be modifying and upgrading commercially available non-concentrator solar cells, which should result in major savings."

-- Andrew Blakers, Professor, Australian National University
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November 5, 2008
SolarWall has a system already for market as well -

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Home_Generation:Solar_Heating
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2 of 13
November 5, 2008
PV thermal will likely be the next generation of solar energy utilization especially where space is a problem and on buildings which need both heat and power. A 300 m2 PV SolarWall system is in process of being installed on the 15th floor of a new building in Montreal. It also will produce 3 times more heat that power.
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November 5, 2008
What about the old saying, "Water and electricity don't mix"? Though not a bad idea, I think systems should be separate. I would hate to have to work on a unit if it had a leak or a electical problem. One or the other could cause problems to the other. Could a water leak short a circuit? Could I get shocked when fixing the water leak? Could an electical leak cause some electrolysis to make a water leak? I know you cannot put water and electricity in a trench together for at least these reasons. Also, what about glycol systems? Since glycol can be flammable, especially when hot, what happens if a system leaks. I guess it would take a couple of roof fires for them to figure it out.
So that makes me wonder what these people are thinking when they want to put them together in the same unit. I think the only thing they are thinking is that the water will keep the cells cool. They should use intergrated air flow instead, especially if mounted on a roof.
Installation is another issue. I guess you would need a plumber and an electrician. And how about rebates? Is it a hot water panel or PV panel. Do you get 1 year or 10 years. What about warranties? Which part will last longer?
We still haven't figured out how to make PV cheap. Why not concentrate on that. Hot water is cheap. So why bring up the cost of a cheap technology by adding an expensive one to it?
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4 of 13
November 5, 2008
Need to incorporate nano pin surface technology to get the reflective losses down. The reduced PV area will help bring the cost of everything down.

I live in the Chicago area which is going to require a cost effective PV system that can stand freezing temperatures and snow. Water as a coolant is out, and I would eliminate glycol also. Dow at Midland Michigan insulate and heat pipes in winter with Dow Therm fluids. Plants are open structures because they learned in the 40's what happens when vapors build up in a closed building and ignited, no building. Environmental issues, flammability, electrical conductivity, heat transport capacity, and viscosity are important in these systems also. Do not reinvent cooling use a prove approach.
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November 5, 2008
Water cooling is really not a problem. PV systems already have to be totally weather proof and would benefit greatly in efficiency by being water cooled. Voltages are low and DC anyway, so there is little risk. Solar thermal is also a widely used and well established technology around the world. The combination makes good sense. As for "hot water is cheap" - it is only as cheap as your energy supply.
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November 5, 2008
Thomas Mayrand said: Electricity and water don't mix. Hmmm seems to me I recall an invention called an electric water heater, and I think quite a few of them have been sold over the last few decades.

In any case I imagine that the problem of servicing the panels could be easily solved by placing a fabric cover over the cells to stop their electrical output since there is no electrical storage onboard. Also, assuming the panels are about 1 meter sq, and the solar cells are 20% efficient, each panels maximum output would be 200 watts, which is not too scary.
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November 5, 2008
One technical problem with this hybrid technology is the difficulty of getting water hot enough to be useful while still keeping the photovoltaic cool enough so that its performance is not degraded. I did a little work with this problem and found ti to be very difficult with typical silicon photovoltaics. There are other types of photovoltaic materials that will work at higher temperatures but they are more expensive.
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November 7, 2008
Check out "Atlantis Energy Systems". Here is the link to the article how they did it: http://site.mawebcenters.com/atlantisenergy/pdf/Virginia_Hybrid.pdf
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November 7, 2008
William, adding to your post....then what happens as the circulating water get hotter and hotter. Most SHW systems will max out at a 160 deg F storage temperature. With a 15-20 deg. differential this means near 180 deg F panels. That doesn't sound to good for PV....
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November 7, 2008
Michael, you are right, electric water heaters have been around for a long time. But these are the biggest users of electricity in most homes. Most tanks last less than 6 years due to corrosion brought on by the mix of electricity with water of differing conditions. What happens if you have to much sodium or chorine in the water or other conductive metals? Electric hot water heater elements usually burn out when such condition exist. Premature rusting can occour, and usually around areas that contain the electrical components or at the bottom from an accumulation of rust particles.
They used to sell on demand, electric hot water makers. Similar to the small gas ones you see today. They didn't last very long. To much current into a small amount of water, all inside a metal box.
Also, 200 Watts, that's nearly 16 amps at 12 V. Would you stick your finger in socket serving a 100 watt bulb?
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November 7, 2008
I think PV systems would lend themselves more to heating air than heating water. Water heating requires a smaller sqfootage than space heating and as previously mentioned, the temperatures required for domestic hot water are fairly high compared to space heating, which would keep the PV panels much cooler.
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12 of 13
November 9, 2008
has anybody heard that in Israel by law all water heaters must be solar powered. currently 90% of all homes have solar water heaters.

http://www.enn.com/energy/article/37584

in 2005, spain passed similar laws
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July 17, 2009
There is a need of development of more efficient panels to utilise the solar energy and applied solar utilisation system ( engineering system to optimize utilisation of solar energy).
This will quickly result in a better of environment of today / tomorrow

Ramesh Kumar
rameshkumarmadan@gmail.com
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