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Technological Innovation Driving Renewed Interest in Geothermal Energy

By Stephen Lacey, Staff Writer
October 9, 2008   |   10 Comments

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"There's something new happening here. The innovation that is taking place in the market today is very exciting."

-- Karl Gawell, Executive Director of the Geothermal Energy Association
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1 of 10
October 10, 2008
You are talking about drilling as deep as 1 and 1/2 miles. Here we are talking about 4km (further down than the approx 2.4 km you are talking about) and the Qld Co building Geothermal plant at Innaminka is sure they have the drilling for it and the technology to produce NOW. Their biggest problem is 500km to wired the electricity back to use off the grid. Check this article at New Scientist and see that since 2003 they have already drilled 2 x 4km deep wells:

http://technology.newscientist.com/channel/tech/mg19926656.500-who-needs-coal-when-you-can-mine-earths-deep-heat.html

So how come you Americans think you need to create a new technology to achieve the same thing and wait until you get out of the lab phase, test and into use in ??how many years??

Seems someone isn't accessing the existing technology correctly and thus is slowing down the development of this industry.

Unless someone is really certain of a superior technological advance?

Seems to me the faster we get into production the better. Perhaps some cross-investing could get communications of technology sharing type happening
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2 of 10
October 10, 2008
I think anyone in the oil industry would say that 4Km is not a barrier as they now have to reach 7Km or more to reach their goal. Truth is that a combination of CURRENT oil drilling technology and CURRENT organic rankine cycle can provide the solution NOW. NO fuel-NO emmissions-Base load Electricity - As you say in America- it a NO brainer! Ormat, WOW and others have been doing this for years.
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3 of 10
October 10, 2008
These numbers are so small: 3.9GW in 5 years and 100GW by 2050. I hope this turns out to be very conservative. Wind and even solar are tracking with exponenential growth to hit 100GW in the next decade; wind first in the late 2010s and solar by about 2020 or so. Geothermal could make a great part of the grid mix due to the 24/7 nature of it, but the industry needs to be thinking in hundreds of GW worldwide by 2030 to compete.

As far as well depth, yes 4km and 7km wells are drilled regularly these days. It's all in the economics. If it costs $100million to put in a single 8 inch hole in the ground, realistically can enough steam ever flow through that hole to make an ROI? Thus, the trick will be to find an economic/technological sweet spot. Since industry is only beginning to take the technology seriously for the first time in decades, I'm very very optimistic, but much learning lies ahead of us. The quickest way to move along that learning curve is for many people and companies to gain as much experience as possible as rapidly as possible.
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4 of 10
October 10, 2008
In our industry we use water blasting to cut through stainless steel, marbles, etc. Water blasting has been use since gold mining in california in the 1850's. How do the residual sand and water is collected maybe a challenge within a small bore hole.
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5 of 10
October 10, 2008
May I ask politely, what were the reasons that Mr. Gawell of GEA is not responding to join our efforts to install SVTs ?

These new "vertical tunnels" can penetrate with 3-meter diameters to high temperatures of 500 degrees Celsius into the lithosphere to extract 2,000 [ MW ] at almost any location.
Only "GEOTHERMIC" with high temperatures guarantee sustainable and cheap power supply.

All mentioned GEOTHERMAL methods can reach only to inefficient low temperature heat resources in shallower regions of the earth crust, that require a reheating process after several years of operation !
Without the needed high temperatures no turbine can operate efficiently, to use special - toxic - gases is risky, the emission of heat is contributing to global warming etc. and the power supply is too expensive.
In """" http://turbojack.blogspot.com """" you can see a 12-minutes video with one of the 14 breakthrough innovations embedded in the SVTs.

Robert.
2008-10-10
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6 of 10
October 10, 2008
My next questions are :
1. " Why shall I delete my comment ?"
2. " Stephen, who in manipulating this article and comments ?"
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7 of 10
October 10, 2008
Why is there no mention whatever of using abandoned oil wells? UT estimates over 600,000 in 11 counties in west Texas alone.

The drilling is already done, and in most cases as deep or deeper than 1.5 miles. The average temperatures of oil at the wellhead runs 120*C to 150*C so temperature should not be a problem.

Even relatively low temperature outputs(less than 110*C) could be utilized directly for thermal applications such as building and water heating.


--------"So how come you Americans think you need to create a new technology to achieve the same thing and wait until you get out of the lab phase, test and into use in ??how many years??

Seems someone isn't accessing the existing technology correctly and thus is slowing down the development of this industry."-------------


I believe it probably has to do with the fact that there is FAR more interest in mining and exploiting $$$ in research grants from government agencies and giving glowing reports of promising technology to entice money out of potential investors than there is any serious desire to actually DO something that produces any energy.
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8 of 10
October 11, 2008
Sandra,

* 17 July 2008
* Rachel Nowak
* Magazine issue 2665
Come next January, however, the town could be powered for free,

no mention of 2003
perhaps in the paid only section of the article?
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9 of 10
October 11, 2008
My company is intent to commercialize its high efficiency "Renewable Energy Turbine" (RET). RET is: a) more efficient in converting heat energy to mechanical power ( which then turns generators); b) Considerably less expensive; c) More robust, can ingest impure well head steam, and d) can be mass produced. The Implication of a RET-Power block in EGS is profound – reaching the "holy grail" of renewable energy: copious, cheap, green power at less than fossil fuel prices. EGS-RET systems can produce cheap geothermal power using shallow drilling technology at $.05/kWh or less. Deeper depth geothermal wells can generate power at $.025/kWh. Shallow EGS-RET Farms (SEGS-RET) using available or near available technology can generate 1 GW of power, for considerably less than 2nd generation "high temperature" CSP farms with molten salt energy stores. 450 or so 1GW SEGS-RETs can generate the entire U.S. electricity need of 4 trillion kWh (2005). This monumental event can be achieved within 7 years after a Beta site. No one has ever posited a cogent counter argument why a steeply discount priced commodity, strategically, environmentally and industrially critical to the US, saving consumers $40 billion annually for each penny /kWh reduction would take longer than 7 years. This does not include balance of trade reductions, gains from reinvigoration of US industry and competitiveness or accelerating EV transportation as a commodity, slashing billions of imported oil barrels. SEGS-RET can achieve $200 billion annual savings in 7 years on discounted electricity and baseline to 2 or more GW farms. To conquer US energy needs, 10 times that of electricity, 5 GW SEGS-RET farms, deeper, more powerful, using lessons learned from SEGS-RET will follow. If we do not have a plan for 50% power from EGS in 5 years, we do not have a plan. Sannerprojects Inc (USA) sannerwind@gmail.com.
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10 of 10
October 11, 2008
The hot rock technology is being developed now in the Australian outback. Go to www.Geodynamics.com.au They are a fascinating company.
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