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The Future of Hydrogen Is Now

By Jeffrey A. Serfass, President, National Hydrogen Association
September 22, 2008   |   15 Comments

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15 Reader Comments
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1 of 15
September 22, 2008
Well, if one is really interested in renewables, look into www.poweraircorp.com
If true safety, renewability, and "the bottom-line is any companies true concern, read all of the information regarding Power Air Corporation 's technology and weigh out the pros and cons of each. I'm sure that you will be impressed. As for hydrogen, I'm sure that people are tired of being led by the nose-ring to expensive, and highly volatile investments like hydrogen.

Regards!
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2 of 15
September 22, 2008
I am entirely egar to say goodbye to oil and have Hydrogen rule once again as most hydrogen historians know this was origianlly used over 150 years ago. Oil said it would be less money, use our proudct. Well time is curious thing. Not true then not true now.
I hope we can get our thoughts back on the right tract Hydrogen. I think we can correct our finacials and unstabillity. Mr. Lawrence I am with you all the way. Hydrogen will correct our economy and have a way to move our Autos cleaner and less costly.
James Jonas
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3 of 15
September 23, 2008
I have been and remain a critic of conventional coal all my life. However, Underground Coal Gasification (UGG) releases only two gases: carbon dioxide and hydrogen. The other pollutants remain far underground. If the carbon dioxide can be safely sequestered, all economic roadblocks suddenly swing in favor of abundant hydrogen production rivaling natural gas. This would place hydrogen squarely on a leveling playing field and accelerate us toward a hydrogen economy eventually dominated by renewable resources. I urge people to consider the comments made by the participants of the July Hydrogen Implementation Conference in Laramie, WY, that have just become available on CleanSkies.tv
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4 of 15
September 24, 2008
I like my hydrogen,like my rum; neat, with a bit of ice and soda.

Pure hydrogen is a very unstable, volatile gas; put it in natural bio-gas and you can compress it for transport and don't need expensive refueling stations and 'local' refineries. CNG cars are the cleanest and greenest (when your gas is made from renewable's), just adopt them. People can even make bio-gas out of household waste, no expensive electricity needed.

I appreciate all the work people like this author and his German colleagues have put into trying to make hydrogen work in its pure state; but like many who proceeded him; it just ain't going to work!

The alt. vehicle community has largely ruled out hydrogen as a fuel; so let's praise the zealots and move on. This is not the time to advocate for subsidies, not when so many people are at risk of losing their homes!
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5 of 15
September 24, 2008
As far as I know, there are no commercial grade renewable energy, hydrogen production systems in the world or on the horizon. All commercial grade hydrogen production facilities use fossil fuels. Clean coal is an oxymoron. Is it any wonder that George Bush and Big Oil are promoting hydrogen!!!??? Investing huge amounts of capital to study hydrogen is a giant red herring. There are much better places for clean renewable energy research.
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6 of 15
September 24, 2008
It would appear from Jeffrey A. Serfass that hydrogen is virtually a problem free energy carrier, he certainly doesn't mention many, if any, short comings and if I was not better informed I would suggest that we all put our feet up and let hydrogen solve our problems. However, the article is very short on hard economic data and to get a more balanced view of whether hydrogen is our saviour I would suggest that you also read Eliasson and Bossel's paper "The Future of the Hydrogen Economy: Bright or Bleak? " (http://www.methanol.org/fuelcell/special/ABB_Hydrogen_Methanol_Economy.pdf).
I'm sure hydrogen does have some applications as a fuel but I after reading the evidence on both sides I think it is unlikely to become a general replacement for oil as an energy carrier for transport.

I would also like to add some reality to the perceived magic of Sequestering CO2 vis
Richard Masters comments "Underground Coal Gasification (UGG) releases only two gases: carbon dioxide and hydrogen." & "If the carbon dioxide can be safely sequestered". The trouble is that it is a very big 'IF'.

To put some real data into the argument. If the reaction just converts water (steam) and carbon (coal) into CO2 an H2 then 1 ton of hydrogen requires 3 tones of carbon (from coal) and 9 tons of water producing 11 tons of waste CO2. Now the problem is where to store the CO2 because:
> 1cu-m of carbon = 3.52 tones
> 1 tone of carbon produces 44/12 or 3.667 tones of CO2
> 1 cu-m of liquid CO2 (@ -20C) weighs 1.032 tones
Therefore 1cu-m of Carbon produces (3.52 * 3.667 )/1.032 = approx 12.5 cu-m of CO2 in liquid form.
In other words only about 8% of the CO2 generated by gasification could be stored in the spaced left by the coal, I'll make one guess where the rest of the CO2 would be stored.
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7 of 15
September 24, 2008
I am amazed that this article totally ignores the major flaws in the hydrogen economy concept. As an energy carrier hydrogen is so innefficient that it will make our energy problems worse. All of the current programs using hydrogen are a result of federal support and wouldn't stand up against competitive energy carriers in a free market.
Delivery of energy to cars electrically is 3X more efficient than using hydrogen on a well-to-wheel basis. The reason is that several inefficient steps in the hydrogen cycle waste significant power. Hydrolysis of water to make hydroge (70% efficient), compression of the hydrogen (80% efficient) and a fuel cell (40% efficient. The overall efficiency of this battery replacement is thus .7 X.8 X.4 = 23%! Lithium batteries are more than 90% efficient.



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8 of 15
September 24, 2008
The point with this piece was to focus on the lesser known applications that can actually provide performance enhancements and even cost savings--today. Not light-duty vehicles.

"Most people think of hydrogen as an alternative fuel for passenger cars. That's true, but it's only part of the picture."

If you'd like to discuss challenges with vehicles, we are happy and open to those conversations. I invite you to contact us at the National Hydrogen Association.
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9 of 15
September 24, 2008
Hydrogen is just another industrial gas with many uses, like nitrogen, and oxygen, and helium, and propane, and on and on. At present it has nothing more to do with renewable energy than any of the other gases. The public has finally been made aware of the fact that hydrogen is not feasible as a replacement for fossil fuels in our transportation system because it would consume more energy than it produces.

It strikes me as odd that you guys are using environmental and renewable energy forums to hawk your product. This is self-promotion under the guise of renewable energy. I just hope the proponents of other industrial gases don't start writing articles in these forums.
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10 of 15
September 24, 2008
Hydrogen from renewables like solar and wind via electrolizer will not consume more power than it produces. And oxygen is released to atmosphere, another plus. Get educated at www.brownsgas.com. The USA needs to get going towards a hydrogen economy., whether fuel cells or internal combustion engines.See hydrogen engine corporation.com. I would fire every senator and congressman. Nothing but lies and misinformation. I love hydrogen its breathable.
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11 of 15
September 24, 2008
Total nonsense!
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12 of 15
September 25, 2008
This is not a yea or nay for hydrogen, just a modest piece of the energy solution. . Sannerprojects, Inc (USA) is intent to commercialize its high efficiency Multi Fuel Superior Diesel (MFSD). MFSD is very robust, lightweight, and can be mass manufactured from portable tool size, up to 100,000 HP units for marine/ stand alone generators. MFSD powered automobiles would achieve 150 MPG (on diesel) a multiple the efficiency of traditional reciprocals, and considerably efficiency gain for heavy transports, over competing turbocharged industrial diesels. MFSD is fuel agnostic and can run on fossil fuels, bio-fuels, or hydrogen, based on BTU content.. MFSD is a green engine, as inefficiency is expressed as pollution. Mechanical engines in the US, consume over 50% of our oil total oil budget, the wide spread use of hydrogen is stymied by its on-board and macro distribution logistics. MFSD, by virtue of its high efficiency and other favorable characteristics, could reduce hydrogen logistics by nearly an order of magnitude (educated guess). MFSD can also bring about a paradigm shift severing foreign oil dependency, reducing oil consumption for transportation by 1 billion barrels/ year with a modest retrofit, and cross over penetration. That would substantially decrease pollution and "return" (save) several hundred billion dollars saved, and cumulatively. MFSD greatly extend vehicles/ transports lives and decreases maintenance. Cars would have a 2 million mile duty cycle. It gain net efficiency that would go a long way to solving the energy crisis and the short term ROI /Payback to the consumers. Unfortunately, consumer gains, mean global corporations will loose, and continue to push back.. Sannerwind@Gmail.com.
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13 of 15
September 25, 2008
I like this piece. Hydrogen can be broken from water using current sunshine, and without any pollution. Therefore, it is totally renewable! How can past measures of "efficiency" be compared. Let's not panic and grope for special interests with axes to grind.
It (H) is not an energy source. It is a battery; an energy storage method. All methods have losses of some kind. If we can consider CNG and PEV autos, we must explore all viable uses for hydrogen. I could breathe allot easier with it.
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14 of 15
September 25, 2008
Hydrogen Buses

Numerous transit systems around the world have conducted demonstration
yes, I would love to ride in a Hydrogen Bus. Lets face facts the oil companies I think have EPA on the hook. What is the real story. I hope we can like the Mortgage Blunder tell them to go away.

JIm Jonas
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15 of 15
November 10, 2008
Just google "hydrogen hoax".
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