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Software Predicts Electricity Output for Wind

By Jane Burgermeister
August 11, 2008   |   14 Comments

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1 of 14
August 11, 2008
The Oldenburg University in Germany has a remarkable history in renewable energy research. It includes the Previento system for wind energy predictions, but also world-class solar resource assessment from Focus Solar, another spin-off from the same university, and a twenty year old Master of Science course in Renewable Energy, perhaps the longest running RE-focused engineering program in the world.

Focus Solar:
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/partner?cid=6355

Master of Science program:
http://www.ppre.de
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2 of 14
August 13, 2008
WOW - predictions out to 10 days. That beats the accuracy of the UK Met. Office supercomputers that can only predict out to 5 days with an 80% accuracy. Sounds like there has been some statistical fudging going on.
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3 of 14
August 13, 2008
It seems that the multi-physics models would be a great extension to many GIS platforms and could document the feasibility for rapidaly deploying wind systems as a comprehensive power alternative....
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4 of 14
August 13, 2008
It is really good ,such tool will save our mother earth atmosphere warming.
We are planning awind park of the rating of 25nos,x1500k. watts machines in the state of Gujrat INDIA .I would like to utilise such tools .Any reader please respomd to me.
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5 of 14
August 13, 2008
Hi John,

they use the ECMWF ensemble model to reach out to 10 days. I think the paragraph is a making a connection where there is none - I'm working with those predictions myself (being part of the mentioned Riso institute (see risoe.dk), and incidentally one of the guys telling Oldenburg how to set up a physical model in the first place), and they are not within 5% for the 10-day horizon. Rather, I believe the 5% figure relates to the day-ahead predictions for the predictions for all of Germany.

Jeff, it's more like, the makers of wind atlases are starting to interface with GIS systems. If it is just for resource calculations, then it's much easier to do the calculations with a dedicated set-up, and not integrate the heavy processing in the GIS tool itself.

Dear Navinchandra Nigam,

please find some relevant tools on prediktor.dk or enfor.eu - or, of course, on the website of energy&meteo systems. There are a lot of other providers too, and I don't know who would be working in India. Check out this report on forecasting in general (should be updated soon):http://anemos.cma.fr/download/ANEMOS_D1.1_StateOfTheArt_v1.1.pdf

Gregor
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6 of 14
August 13, 2008
Looking from my window at this time I can see monstrous windmills blighting the skyline and a previously unblemished moorland.

I am strongly in favour of wind and tidal powered electricity generation but not the waste of subsidies and loss of precious parts of beautiful Britain.

The bare facts are that since switch on time weeks ago the huge windmills have scarcely turned at all for days on end, slowly they turn to face a mild breeze and dramatically stop.

It appears that so much energy is spent turning ithe giant structure into a favourable breeze that unless there is a strong wind blowing there is no generation of electricity at all.

Yet a horizontal windmill designed and built by a local man now living on the Isle of Wight that costs a fraction of the price of these imported machines, has as far as I know never even been officially tested.This machine does not waste energy turning into a breeze, and spins merrily in conditions that would not even turn the giants into a working position.

Consideration should also be given to the true green inventions of Victorian Britain, I refer to the unique hydraulic power systems dismantled and scrapped by British rail in 1960 while they were in perfect working order and had never been known to fail.

The means and power to shunt and lift loaded rail vehicles ,work lifts, hoists etc. and generate electricity was sold for scrap without even a record of its existance and superb performance remaining, and today in the age of alleged new technology, very few people remain of those of us who witnessed a true green technology in daily action fifty two weeks to the year.
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7 of 14
August 13, 2008
Harold,

Could you please post links to the Isle of Wight windmill, and if available, to the BR system.
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8 of 14
August 13, 2008
Harold, the main reason why vertical axis wind turbines never really took off, is that they have a maximum physical limit of about 40% of the energy in the wind, while the theoretical maximum for the rotor wind turbines is 59%. But in the end, only the price per kWh is important.
Regarding the large wind farm, in the initial phase of a wind farm it is not unusual for the turbines to still work a bit sketchy, and to be taken out of service for installation of the last details. If the pattern persists more than a few months, then there is reason for worry.
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August 14, 2008
Addition: Here is a good quick overview of the relative merits of vertical vs horizontal axis machines: http://www.windpower.org/en/tour/design/horver.htm
Actually, windpower.org has received several awards for being one of the top general information sites on wind energy at all - available in several languages, and with a separate kids track.

Greetings, GreGie
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10 of 14
August 14, 2008
Can anyone answer this queerie for me:

How much Hydrogen Gas can be obtained in a twelve hour period using only one run of the mill wind turbine:
Thank You
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August 14, 2008
On a recent visit to leading renewable energy jurisdictions of Spain, Germany, and Denmark, I learned about improvements in their ability to predict the output from renewable energy sources as mentioned in the piece by Ms. Burgermeister. For instance, on a hot day in Spain 15,000 MW of installed windpower is unproductive due to low winds. But because of technology that was able to predict this the day before, Red Electrica (Spain's energy operators) could plan ahead to draw from other energy supply sources.

In a world where renewables are contributing more and more to energy supply, the necessity of reliability puts even more pressure on the importance of long range predictability. We are grateful for technology advances that improve the prospects for the integration of more power from sources with no fuel. This kind of innovation has great potential here in Ontario to help facilitate our government's policies of renewable energy development and conservation, two key components of our energy provincial plan.

George Smitherman
Deputy Premier of Ontario, Minister of Energy and Infrastructure
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12 of 14
August 21, 2008
That's great George.
Now, how about installing or freeing up some grid capacity so Ontario can install enough wind turbines that can actually take advantage of this technology.
Talking about it now is like talking about installing a speedometer on a turtle. It's useless because she's not going nowhere fast.
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13 of 14
September 9, 2008
Thanks for the replies, sorry I missed replying sooner, The turbine, water or wind powered is The Windabeaste being manufactured in various sizes, and details from partner Len Howarth can be found by googling Windabeaste for address and details.
As regards the hydraulic powered system in the London Road Goods Yard destroyed by B.R in 1960,I do not know of any links or further information although I believe it was not a one off.
I did see it working many times and it was a marvel of Victorian engineering that I would like to see again myself.
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14 of 14
September 9, 2008
Wouldn't have been a treat to have visited the hydraulic lift, capstans and workshop in London Road Goods Yard in the company of the late Fred Dibnah and listen to his enthusiastic explanations of how it worked, but as far as I know Fred never even saw it, or it would have been permanenly recorded for history.
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