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August 26, 2008

Renewable Energy Collectors May Be Right Under Our Feet

Research at WPI explores turning highways and parking lots into solar collectors.
by Michael Dorsey, WPI
Massachusetts, United States [RenewableEnergyWorld.com]

Anyone who has walked barefoot across a parking lot on a hot summer day knows that blacktop is exceptionally good at soaking up the sun's warmth. Now, a research team at Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI) has found a way to use that heat-soaking property as a source of renewable energy. Through asphalt, the researchers are developing a solar collector that could turn roads and parking lots into ubiquitous -- and inexpensive -- sources of electricity and hot water.

"Our preliminary results provide a promising proof of concept for what could be a very important future source of renewable, pollution-free energy for our nation. And it has been there all along, right under our feet."

-- Rajib Mallick, Associate Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Worcester Polytechnic Institute

The research project, which was undertaken at the request of Michael Hulen, president of Novotech Inc. in Acton, Mass, a company that currently holds a patent on the concept of using the heat absorbed by pavements, is being directed by Rajib Mallick, associate professor of civil and environmental engineering.

Last week at the annual symposium of the International Society for Asphalt Pavements in Zurich, Switzerland, team member Bao-Liang Chen, a PhD candidate at WPI, presented the results of research aimed at evaluating the potential for transforming stretches of asphalt into a cost-effective energy source. The study looked not only at how well asphalt can collect solar energy, but also at the best way to construct roads and parking lots to maximize their heat-absorbing qualities.

"Asphalt has a lot of advantages as a solar collector," Mallick said. "For one, blacktop stays hot and could continue to generate energy after the sun goes down, unlike traditional solar-electric cells. In addition, there is already a massive acreage of installed roads and parking lots that could be retrofitted for energy generation, so there is no need to find additional land for solar farms," he said.

"Roads and lots are typically resurfaced every 10 to 12 years and the retrofit could be built into that cycle. Extracting heat from asphalt could cool it, reducing the urban ‘heat island' effect. Finally, unlike roof-top solar arrays, which some find unattractive, the solar collectors in roads and parking lots would be invisible," said Mllick.

Mallick and his research team, which also includes Sankha Bhowmick of UMass, Dartmouth, studied the energy-generating potential of asphalt using computer models and by conducting small- and large-scale tests. The tests were conducted on slabs of asphalt in which were imbedded thermocouples, to measure heat penetration, and copper pipes, to gauge how well that heat could be transferred to flowing water. Hot water flowing from an asphalt energy system could be used "as is" for heating buildings or in industrial processes, or could be passed through a thermoelectric generator to produce electricity.

In the lab, small slabs were exposed to halogen lamps, simulating sunlight (see image, below on left). Larger slabs were set up outdoors and exposed to more realistic environmental conditions, including direct sunlight and wind. The tests showed that asphalt absorbs a considerable amount of heat and that the highest temperatures are found a few centimeters below the surface. This is where a heat exchanger would be located to extract the maximum amount of energy. Experimenting with various asphalt compositions, they found that the addition of highly conductive aggregates, like quartzite, can significantly increase heat absorption, as can the application of a special paint that reduces reflection.

Lab testing     Finite element results of testing
Lab testing of small sample (left) with finite element results showing temperature in different colors (right).

Finally, Mallick said the team concluded that the key to successfully turning asphalt into an effective energy generator will replacing the copper pipes used in the tests with a specially designed, highly efficient heat exchanger that soaks up the maximum amount of the heat absorbed by asphalt.

"Our preliminary results provide a promising proof of concept for what could be a very important future source of renewable, pollution-free energy for our nation. And it has been there all along, right under our feet."

Michael Dorsey is director of research communications at Worcester Polytechnic Institute.

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August 26, 2008
Two words Carnot Cycle.
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August 26, 2008
"Through asphalt, the researchers are developing a solar collector that could turn roads and parking lots into ubiquitous -- and inexpensive -- sources of _electricity_ and hot water."

How they will do that electricity part?
Comment 2 of 40
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August 27, 2008
Pool heating systems using heat collected from the pavement around the pool -- or from other pavement in the vicinity -- were installed in the 1970s and 1980s. I have installed some of these -- which are still functional.

Putting such systems below roads -- which carry heavy dynamic loads -- will require very robust embedded heat exchange elements, and an excellent road substrate. Else the systems will fail when overloaded vehicles pass over them.

The efficiency of thermoelectric generators for such low temperature difference (with ambient) is extremely low -- far below the Carnot formula.
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Electricity generation by means of a water-steam cycle (rankine cycle) seems to be not an easy way to do it.
At the end the facilities to do so would be so big that the applicability is not so clear.
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August 27, 2008
The simplest ideas are usually the best. This is a simple idea and it sounds good to me.

The obvious thing it seems to me would be using it to cool buildings. It wouldn't be too useful in winter, but buildings don't need to be cooled in winter.

A heat pump type thing maybe?
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August 27, 2008
to comment #3----how about large plastic pipe filled with gravel. Porous enough to circulate water through. But stiff enough to maintain shape when a load is applied to it, when surrounded by gravel in the substrate? The water could circulate by gravity feed.
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August 27, 2008
It at least shows some promise, but as several have pointed out is not without issues. The energy will be low grade and difficult to utilize efficiently. I remember people using the technique to heat pools. It does have the advantage of being out of sight and unlikely to offend people as many other alternative sources seem to do. How about using ammonia or another refrigerant as the exchange medium?
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August 27, 2008
This surely sounds very interesting; out-of-the-box thinking practically demonstrated. I agree with Fred Linn: the simplest ideas turning out to solve enormous problems. This has been ignored all along- thanks to Novotech Inc. and kudos to the WPI guys!
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August 27, 2008
Wow, genius at work! How many heated driveways did they go by before they figured this one out? I think it would work great for small applications such as residential homes. Some businesses could profit too. Don't forget, most parking lots have cars on them throughout the day causing shading. Installing these system on roads would seem expensive and not very useful especially with the high loads, abuse and maintenence that others have mentioned. Adding a hot water loop in a driveway in conjunction with a solar hot water loop in my opinion would work best. It would add to the heating of the water throughout most of the year and could be used for snow melting other times of the year in those areas that receive snow. Proper installation must be considered. Paving usually requires a level of stone dust to create a strong base. Insulation should be considered if you plan on installing a hot water loop. Poly pipe, such as that used in radiant heating should be considered. Copper pipe under ground could cause some problems. Drainage should also be considered. Fins to absorb the heat over a larger area should be considered, but this may make for an unstable contact between the pavement and the substrate causing early degradation. Concrete with a black sealer could be considered for smaller applications, then at least the tubing can be encased within the concrete itself just as any other radiant heating system.
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August 27, 2008
What a great theory. However applying these idea's to a real world roading situation is fanciful at best. Controlled enviroments......maybe but the costs of the extra materials and instalation will consine this technology to the lab.
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August 27, 2008
Yes, Thomas. Residential driveways, hopefully south-facing, maybe thicker than usual for storage, definitely insulated, maybe with PEX-AL-PEX tubing for corrosion prevention and good heat transfer. Copper is now too expensive, as well as subject to corrosion. Concrete w/sealer would last longer than asphalt, which is also skyrocketing in cost. Probably still need a big, expensive tank w/coils for heat transfer and storage, and all the related components--boiler, controls, etc. I'd like to hear more about this idea: email me at radiant.heating@yahoo.com.
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August 27, 2008
A nice idea, but may not be "inexpensive": cost of embedding all that pipework, making it strong enough, avoiding other services, fixing it every time it had to be dug up. Might have to be in rather selective locations, but it could work in parking areas.
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August 27, 2008
Won't be cost effective for the 10-15 year cycle of asphalt. Too much technical work to be done with effectiveness by laborers who don't care or understand technical quality. No offense to laborers.

Let's build small "off the shelf" PV garages for the upcoming electric vehicles and move away from 20-30% of our oil needs,..every company is working on electric vehicles now. In 15 years, the ICE will be in the SmithSonian- that' quite clear.

Let's then further exploit the newer Lithium-phosphate ion battery technologies that are ready to explode out for smaller trucking companies like "Smith" and others. Once we have 'Intracity trucking' more efficient, we'll work on OTR trucks.

We would be better off figuring out how to simply capture the kinetic energy from our spinning wheels from our 200,000,000 cars and having that energy stored potentially in our electric car vehicles, or or somehow transmitted to an electric collecting facility without screwing up our current myriad broadcasts of electromagnetic output.

All the Best
Comment 13 of 40
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August 27, 2008
It's a beautiful idea to generate green power utilizing paved surfaces. It looks more realistic to be used in residential applications rather than public roads.
Free green energy is wasted so lightheartedly and any effort to take advantage of it is welcomed.
I would be curious to look at a heat balance in any application.
Keep it up guys.
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August 27, 2008
One word: Potholes

Maybe it's just because I'm in Chicago, where here, at the end of August, street crews are still trying to catch up on the estimated 150,000 to 200,000 potholes that emerged this past winter (I've got one 8 feet long, 1 foot wide, 8 inches deep, and 3 years old in front of my house), but now I'm envisioning both a failed roadway surface AND massive volumes of water leakage from the broken embedded pipes. Of course if they embed copper piping, with the inevitable infrastructure collapse, it will be a boon to our slightly-less-than-legal scrap metal collection sector. This will in turn provide a needed boost to the local economy and serve to increase our city's lagging recycling rates.
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August 27, 2008
This is very similar to the senior project i am about to embark on. I was going to combine a horizontal loop through the driveway to passivly heat the pool with a very small pump with a backup only when needed. I figured most pools would be the right temperature by 11:00 AM and should still be warm after the sun goes down.

However, things that I need to know and don't know where to look are 1) what type of material to use for concrete enough duribility to handle residential vehicles - no tractors - (been looking at PEX, mainly) and 2) the effects of chlorine and other pool supplies to the PEX over time.

Does anyone know where I can get good information to make sure the system does not break down?
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August 27, 2008
The concept of utilizing the overbuilt "seas of asphalt" for renewable energy generation has merit but as John has mentioned, potholes, painted lines, parked cars, snow/snow plowing, vehicle surcharge weight and winter freezes all present major obstacles for even the simplest and hardiest systems, especially here in MA. Hardy, thin membrane PV or some other heat collection that can be applied directly to pavement cheaply and repeatedly, if need be, might be practical.

PV or solar collector shading structures (secondarily used as hybrid or other refueling stations?) for vehicles in these massive parking facilities could make better long-term maintenance sense than directly working with the paved surfaces while lessening the heat island effect of so much exposed blacktop bituminous.

Ideas for expanding renewable energy generation in creative ways will always be welcome.
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August 27, 2008
Sometimes, innovation is more a function of open-minded observation than of intellectual insight. When you start looking at existing systems, there are probably many more opportunities to convert or recover wasted energy. Thanks for bringing this one to light.
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August 27, 2008
So most of the problems have been figured out in driveways that have PEX tubing installed for snow melting. Not a real common application (I mean who can afford the energy costs), but everything has already been engineered and installed. Seems like if you find some of these installations you could re-plumb them to store the heat (a.k.a. as solar hot water). Could get a lot of data for a relatively small investment.
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August 27, 2008
Note to James Sutton (comment #17 above):
Check out Kitec's web page at ipexinc.com for starters. I don't think chlorine is a problem for PEX. You need to calculate how much tubing you'll need, based on water temperatures achieved, heat load, etc. The aluminum core of PEX-AL-PEX, such as Kitec, enhances conductivity compared to straight PEX, and increases its resistance to crushing.
Once the pool is warm, you won't need much to keep it that way, especially if covered at night: the water has tremendous heat capacity. Covers can also warm your pool via solar transfer: my outdoor pool in NM only needs its boiler once in the Spring, if then.
Comment 20 of 40
August 27, 2008
Heat pumps can be viable. I knew an industrial refridgeration engineer who used them to heat his house in winter. It costs a little electricity but none of it is wasted and you harvest more energy than you put in.

As to the piping, how about none! put in a porous layer, it is self managing and small losses can be acceptable as it is only water.
Comment 21 of 40
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August 27, 2008
Solar Roads is not a new idea by any means: see www.solarroadways.com. While the asphalt research presented here is very clever, one thing has been overlooked: the rising price of our petroleum-based asphalt. Liquid asphalt was $175/ton last December. By June it was $480/ton. By July, bids were coming in at over $1000/ton. The federal and state transportation departments are broke and operating in the red.

Some areas can't even get the asphalt that they've secured the funding for: see the article at http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008080652_asphalt30.html

The days of surfacing roads with asphalt are quickly coming to an end. I've spoken with the U.S. Department of Transportation and some state transportation department heads. They all see the writing on the wall and are looking for new materials to replace asphalt with.
Comment 22 of 40
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August 27, 2008
Dan Hooper (above) has it right. Rather than costly retrofitting and working with yet-unproven technology, parking lots can be fitted with solar panels, providing an immediate source of electricity. Additionally, the panels can provide shade for automobiles.

Check out Envision Solar's work on this at http://www.envisionsolar.com/index.php?page=solarpower&id=2

(note: I am not in any way connected to Envision, but am certainly amped about their ideas.)
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August 27, 2008
Here's a link for a report on Arian de Bondt, a Dutch engineer who has already implemented a system that has worked for some time:

http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10202728

The readers of the Economist are going to implement this first, which means pretty much a top-down trickle.

The notion of patenting this strikes me as hubris. Contractors and project managers who figure out how to put systems in efficiently will make good money. Trying to tie up efficient processes with legal intimidation seems an unpleasant, costly process that delays replication. Patenting won't stop DIY'ers. Storage is underground, so extraordinary snooping would be necessary to harass people, all of which costs a lot of money.

Why not just get on some home shows that people watch who can afford to hire it done?
Comment 24 of 40
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August 27, 2008
Who says you need pipes at all. Under ground aquifers are basically water passing through porous gravel beds. Put a gravel bed under a parking lot and you are laying a base that you'd be putting down anyway. Plastic sheet under the gravel would only hold the gravel in place and maintain the nonporous subbase that is the basis of any natural aquafer. So what if it is not 100% efficient, you've invested very little in it, and all the energy you get is free, and would have just gone to waste otherwise. If it gets a few potholes here and there, it will not affect the basic aquafer design, you just repair the potholes as they would normally be repaired.
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August 27, 2008
Why not build panels over the roadways. An endless supply of real estate--no need to build hugh installations in the desert.

Dan Hooper wrote: "PV or solar collector shading structures (secondarily used as hybrid or other refueling stations?) for vehicles in these massive parking facilities could make better long-term maintenance sense than directly working with the paved surfaces while lessening the heat island effect of so much exposed blacktop bituminous."
Comment 26 of 40
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August 27, 2008
I think that putting collectors in the shoulders rather than the traffic lanes would work better, as shoulders get more sun (especially in traffic-jam situations) and less wear and tear.

By the way, concrete retains heat well itself (see http://asumag.com/mag/university_resisting_costs/, or just go fry an egg on a sidewalk on a sunny day), so one doesn't need for the road surface to be asphalt for this concept to work.
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August 27, 2008
My company is intent on commercializing a powerblock that can economically extract thermal energy and convert it to mechanical power, then to electricity, with low pressure, low temperature sources. This thermal source is also part of the new class of geothermal renewable energy called "heat mining" and applies to a myriad of low temperature geothermal environments, e.g., abandoned mine shafts. Our projections are that we can generate copious amounts of carbon free electricity for $.05/kWh. Sannerwind@gmail.com (Sannerprojects, Inc MD, USA)
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August 27, 2008
Don Pfau

Thanks for replying to my message. I will research that site a little more tonight. I am originally from Dallas, TX and going to school in Portland, Or. I have been debating on whether or not I should do this project in Portland or Dallas. It sounds like your NM experience is that all you need is this technology. If I decide to do this in Portland, I will also incorperate a water to water ground loop which will heat an underground tank of water while cooling your house and using that in conjuction with the drive concrete (BTW I had planned on using a pool cover). I figure the drive can be turned off if you need AC in the house and only minimal pool heating in the afternoon.
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August 28, 2008
I would think that it would be hard to collect the amount of energy we need from the roads, unless they were in a dry environment without trees.
This site,
http://www.earth-policy.org/Alerts/Alert12_data2.htm
suggests that there is about 50k sq mi of roads including small to interstate. The questions remain... How many of those sq miles are in a dry shadowless position, and would it really be better than procuring thousands of sq miles of the right place, that is, intersparsed throughout the desert. Rural and urban landscapes are designed to have trees. Solar energy is best left to unoccupied areas since it is already so feable, at least on a large scale.

On smaller scales, this is perfect along with rooftop and will most likely lead to the ability to convert the roads to at least 10% or so of our energy demands. That would be awsome IF it was actually cheaper than the solar power tower concept!

It takes about 1/5th of the amount of land devoted to roads to be covered with mirrors to produce 3x U.S.A electrical demand based on 25% capacity, 25% efficiency and .08kW per sq foot average solar constant. If I remenber right, the Luz troughs are about that efficient

bestsolarvision
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August 28, 2008
Perhaps instead we should stop making the roads black. Decreasing (not increasing and re-directing) the absorption of the sun's energy seems like the way to go if we're serious about doing something about global 'warming'. In addition to actually adding a small but not insignificant amount of energy to the atmosphere, the heat island effect increases the local demand for cooling, which increases AC usage, etc.
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August 28, 2008
With aspalt getting so pricy, more of it will fade to absorbe less heat. Another reason to employ mirrors... they reflect the bright area next to the sun back into space
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August 28, 2008
James Sutton
I don't know about heating an underground tank, but Environmental Dynamics, a local sustainable architect, is experimenting with using an 18,000-gallon cistern for radiant COOLING, running at night through solar collectors to supercool the water and running that through the building during the day. A local engineer wanted them to put bladders on the exterior walls instead, but they're opting for collectors on the roof. I think the project is on hold for funding.
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August 28, 2008
Fireofenergy: Doesn't it make sense to try and avoid covering thousands of square miles of land with solar arrays? Even if using roads (or even just shoulders, which I advocate as they get more sun and less wear) as solar collectors can't provide for all of our energy needs, they can provide for a good chunk of them -- without needing to cover up the equivalent of a New England state (or Texas county) in solar panels.

It's long been clear that, just like now, no single energy source will cover all our needs. There will be situations where wind power will work best, and there will be situations where solar (or geothermal) will work best. Of course, conservation would help a great deal -- we still waste unbelieveable amounts of energy.

In certain small-scale situations, even human-generated power (such as from a bicycle generator) could fill some gaps. Don't laugh: A reasonably-fit person -- say, someone who already bikes at least 50 miles a week or walks for at least half an hour every day -- can easily generate a steady 100 watts of power for an hour; racers can do two to three times that. That's enough to quickly charge cell phones and laptops, or even power -- admittedly for only a few minutes -- certain household appliances such as blenders and TVs. Something to consider if you're thinking of going to a place that's off-grid for longer than a week or two. (See http://www.econvergence.net/electro.htm for a ready-to-run bike power generator.)
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August 28, 2008
I agree with much of the sentiment that this is impractical for roads due to reliability issues. However, I do believe it could make sense for parking lots etc. where there is not the same heavy traffic as roads. As far as a method to capure the low grade heat for elelctricity the Organic Rankine Cycle generators that are being used for some micro geothermal applications could be very well suited for this. United Technologies is manufacturing these and it is a very robust and proven technolgy. The technolgy is very similar and uses much of the same components as commercial and industrial chillers. These can capture very low grad heat (warm water ~ 180F) and produce electricity. The units are also fairly compact.
I think it would well to use a large parking lot as a collector and store the water in a large tank or series of tanks. The generator could then produce electricity for long after the sun sets. In terms of cost effectivness it's difficult to say whether this makes more sense than rooftop collectors. It would have to be analyzed on a case by case basis.
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August 29, 2008
I agree with the people who say that solar roads are not a new idea. Actually in the University of Cantabria (GITECO research group) we are doing research on this topic: thermal caracterization of asphalt mixes, methods to transport the heat from the surface layer to the storage place, heat store mechanims, etc. Solar roads is a suitable method to heat and cool a building or a group of buildings: decreases the non-renewable energy sources, decreases the urban island efect, there is no need to build huge solar panels fields, etc.
Regarding the problem of petroleum price: asphalt roads are a recyclable product. Therefore, the use of petroleum in asphalt roads may be reduced.
Regarding the way to use the heat absorbed in the roads: heat pumps surely are the best option. The main problem for the heat pumps application is to find a suitable way to store the heat before it is used by these machines. Finally, getting electricity from the roads doesn't sound to me very achievable; not now... at least just with the heat from the sun.
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August 29, 2008
Finally a reason to like asphalt. I won't debate the merits of where to get the heat from, although adding asphalt to the banks of the highway would not ad to the eshetics. It seems to me that using the heat as heat makes more sense than trying to generate electricity. Running pipe into building for heat along the lines of taping heat from power plants the way they do in europe, referred to as Combined Heat an Power or CHP would make sense. This could possibly be a cheaper form of geothermal heat. The big expense with geothermal is digging to bury the piping. I could see houses in a development all having a heat source coming from the road in front of their house.
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September 27, 2008
I think many boulevards should be replaced with greenhouses including evaporative solar desalination creeks (for those living near the beach), or covered with an upper tier of dual-purpose train/bus railways with sidewalks and bikepaths, and that topped with solar troughs..
..but, if we do want to collect asphalt heat (which had occurred indpendently to me), the cheapest way to utilize this heat for the majority of our city dwellers would be to feed the collected heated water directly into the plumbing supply at night, where most people are already using heated water for dishes and showers.
Alas, the only way to collect revenue would be in increased water delivery costs.

If not exactly the aquifer method, a mesh somethng inbetween paper-towels and knitted coppertube mesh on knitted copper foil ribbons could be used; impact resistant, chemicaly isolated, lower material and installion cost, and not much of a problem if allowed to rupture in areas. This would drain into insulated tanks by the roadside for evening use, at which time public water supply pressure would feed the mixed tanks instead of the direct residential supply. If the tanks were the right size, no valve solenoids would be required at all, and the tanks would gradually be refreshed with colder water before afternoon, heated again by evening.

I don't think any rooftop should go unutilised: garden or solar troughs at the minimum. One possible use for that rooftop heat is algae biomass. That could be integrated with a centralized downstream sewage recovery system using existing city plumbing.
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November 19, 2008
it has been mentioned, it deserves to be mentioned again:

http://www.solarroadways.com/

mogblog.org
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May 18, 2009
I am thinking of embedding coiled pex tubing in a tinted (dark gray) concrete patio above our pool and diverting our pool water through it. Do you think this would be an effective way to heat a pool?
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