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Geothermal Energy's Potential

By Ken Silverstein, Editor-in-Chief, EnergyBiz Insider
August 28, 2008   |   24 Comments

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"This environmental advantage is due to low emissions and the small overall footprint of the entire geothermal system, which results because energy capture and extraction is contained entirely underground, and the surface equipment needed for conversion to electricity is relatively compact."

-- Jeff Tester, Professor, MIT Engineering
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I enjoyed reading about the schools and police station.

There should be a hard 20 year push to make all emergency facilities (fire stations, police stations...) independent of the grid. First electrically, then for water with sewage treatment, rain capture and recycling. When the technology improves, fire trucks and police cars should become plug-in hybrids, heavily weighted electrically (30-50 mile radius on electricity alone). The electricity would be produced at the facility with wind, solar, geothermal etc.

Along with this it wouldn't hurt to add schools and all public buildings to the mix. The schools would then better serve as emergency shelters if ever needed for a natural catastrophe.

Prepare and plan ahead should become a national motto.
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August 29, 2008
Despite what MIT professors might say, deep geothermal wells have difficult-to-quantify risks that the world just does not need. Just as the combustion technology and the chemical technology of the industrial revolution have been accompanied by catastrophic unintended consequences, so can this deep well technology. Pumping water through hot rocks thousands of feet below ground and then bringing the resulting chemical cocktail to the surface, will have consequences that will be deleterious to the living systems of the earth. On the other hand, shallow geothermal heat pumps are a very promising clean technology. They inject heat into the ground in the summer which is recaptured during the winter along with the solar energy that is stored there as well. This very benign technology is already in widespread use in the UK. The U.S. needs to catch up after eight years of the oil companies running the country to ruin. It would be better if they run the country into the ground - pun intended.
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August 29, 2008
Do not fear geothermal power Mr Cole:) Take a look at the below web site. www.nzgeothermal.org.nz. My country New Zealand has been operating geothermal power stations in NZ for more than 20 years. We use a process called Binary generation, in which you operate two closed loops. One cycling water down to the heat souce, the water comes back and the heat is transfered via aheat exchanger into the turbine closed loop. Safe and clean. In one instance waste heat is captured and sent next door to a massive glasshouse complex which is used to grow produce regaurdless of the out side climate. I am convinced that this is the most likely technology that can be used as a clean base load energy source. Also often overlooked is the economic multiplier of such a site. The jobs and money stay inside the country. 85% of NZ's energy is currently generated by renewable means and the goverment will not allow any coal, gas or petroleum power stations to be built.
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September 3, 2008
I am a big Geothermal Development supporter....but I wonder why do that when we can do this?....................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDJpUVlWK0c
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September 3, 2008
This use of the term "geothermal" is misleading in this article. The term is also used to describe the process whereby ground source heat pumps are used for both heating and cooling. GSHP technology is extremely efficient and can be employed anywhere on earth with relatively shallow drilling. While it doesn't generate electricity, it offers homeowners relatively inexpensive heating and cooling using no fossil fuels and minimal electricity (which, of course can be supplied with PV). We need to clearly define WHICH version of geothermal technology we're discussing in these articles.
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September 3, 2008
Mr. Cole: Geothermal heat pumps ARE in widespread use in the US and have been for decades. Don't stretch the truth just because you have a political ax to grind.
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September 3, 2008
With the latest directional drilling technology and GPS able to pinpoint exactly where the pipes are going, why wouldn't it be possible to drill from two directions and meet in the middle creating a giant closed loop? Then there wouldn't be the need to create fractures to pump the fluid into the ground to generate steam and all the other concerns associated with working below ground.
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September 3, 2008
An area that has had almost NO research but sounds extremely promising to me is using abandoned or non-producing oil wells to produce energy by geothermal.

The expensive part(drilling) has already been done. The wells are just sitting there capped off. UT has surveyed 11 west Texas counties and determined 5000MW potential power could be easily generated in the survey area alone. The western half of the state alone has some estimated 600,000 abandoned oil wells.

I've been told that the average temperature of oil at the wellhead is 120*C to 150*C---plenty hot enough to produce easily usable amounts of energy---and very inexpensively considering the expensive drilling is already done.
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September 3, 2008
Dominic writes in comment 4:
" am a big Geothermal Development supporter....but I wonder why do that when we can do this?....................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDJpUVlWK0c"

This is a perpetual motion machine scam that dates back at least 7 years; geothermal generation actually works....
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September 3, 2008
Colin McRae writes in comment 7:
"With the latest directional drilling technology and GPS able to pinpoint exactly where the pipes are going, why wouldn't it be possible to drill from two directions and meet in the middle creating a giant closed loop? Then there wouldn't be the need to create fractures to pump the fluid into the ground to generate steam and all the other concerns associated with working below ground."

In enhanced geothermal energy generation you want to flow water through fractured rock before pumping it back out so that you can extract heat from a large volume of material. You don't get very much heat absorption just from the surface area of the bore holes, so the system would not be practical in the manner you envision.
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September 3, 2008
It sounds practical to me. Or another possiblity would be to simply thread flexible pipe down the bore hole----one end stays at the surface, and thread down all the tube you want in a closed loop.. You have a loop---with an intake and out put ends at the surface.
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September 3, 2008
Good point Fred. I believe the pipe they drill down with is fairly large bore so a closed loop could go in. You could use a working fluid like ammonia with a lower boiling point in a sytem like that. It might be similar to the Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion systems.
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September 3, 2008
Heat transfer doesn't not necessarily need to be by fluids either, gases can also transfer heat. There are also a number of refrigerant gas/liquids like the ammonia that you suggest----they could be individually chosen to suit the temperture range of the site being worked with.
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September 3, 2008
Fred Linn,
The term "Fluid" refers to anything that flows. That is, liquids and gases!
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September 4, 2008
Re Ground Source Heat Pumps--the most commercial renewable--generally the payback is in the five year range, depending on the source. I did a retrofit using an existing 20 gal. a minute water well (open loop) dumping into a large dry well. However the electric load is very significant. The system is compressor based like a refrigerator or air conditioner. I went from using 1500 gals. of oil per winter to zero. The system is central air in the summer and provides almost half my hot water.
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September 4, 2008
Can you prove it is a scam?
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September 4, 2008
I'm a big fan of ground source heat pumps, but $7500/house does not apply to all locales. A bid for my house came in at $53,000 due primarily to rocky soil. This was new construction, not retrofit.
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18 of 24
September 4, 2008
doggyd---------instead of digging down in the ground, how about laying the pipes out and piling dirt on top? Construction and excavators are always looking for someplace to dump dirt. If there is a low place somewhere on your property, you could have your pipes buried, and level out the landscape at the same time, practically for free with the right negotiations.
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September 4, 2008
Doggyd:

there are also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_source_heat_pumps
not just:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump

If your winters are mild, then the former should be enough.
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September 5, 2008
In comment 17 Dominic Jermano writes concerning a supposed perpetual motion machine claimed by Australian "inventors" (and grifters) Christie and Brits:

"Can you prove it is a scam?"

This is clearly a perpetual motion machine of the first kind, which violates the laws of physics. You might want to read:
http://www.skeptics.com.au/journal/2001/3_lutec1.pdf
for some discussion.
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September 11, 2008
What amount of electrical power is required to power the heat pump in a ground source heat pump system? If it is in spec with photovoltaic solar arrays couldn't you just power the heat pump with a solar / battery source and have a true zero net energy zero carbon heating system?
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September 13, 2008
Rob, I can tell you that that the running wattage Watersource Heatpump as we call them in the trade, Varies with the size of the Machine, the smallest residential units, about 24,000 btu's will consume about 3500 watts not including the Fluid pump, with the typical largest being a 5ton or 60 to 65,000btuh unit will consume 8500 to 10,000 watts, U really have to contact the manufacturer of your unit, it varies widely, the biggest thing though and most overlooked on projects I'm involved in is the initial inrush or starting current, which can momentarily be 135 to 200amps, depending on the torque of the compressor, newer scroll compressors have lowered this quite a bit, and newer inverter technology (or load matching as some call it) promises better effiecencies, and lower power consumption as they vary the compressor capacity to match the House load, this has been available to the commercial market for many years but is just now being made financially competitive in the Residential market, I look forward to seeling a lot of the systems as as added benefiet is better comfort control as well as lower electric bills
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September 13, 2008
Sorry, next time I promise to proof read before I submit a comment guys
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September 15, 2008
Mark:

Thanks for the info. Sounds like you might be able to handle the momentary load with a combination of battery and the scroll compressors, and maybe even out the power consumption using the scrolls with some sort of an adaptive feedback system to sense and adapt to the load. Need some additional info on surface area required for current and near future PV arrays to meet the projected running wattage. Assuming a current shortfall, couldn't this still be augmented by the grid, using green kws to supplement?

>>>rob.
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