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Biodiesel Edges Out Ethanol

July 18, 2006   |   22 Comments
Corn ethanol yields an energy dividend but gains are higher with soy biodiesel, a new study shows.

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"New and better transportation biofuels and greatly increased energy efficiency are essential for our economy and our environment. We also need renewable electricity, including both wind energy and renewable biofuels that take the place of coal. Coal is a major source of electricity and of greenhouse gases."

-- David Tilman, a coauthor of the study and Regents Professor of Ecology
22 Reader Comments
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1 of 22
July 18, 2006
This is another hoax. As is common in the realm of so-called renewable fuels, we find people doing paper studies based on government reports that achieve their numbers by political manipulation, not science.

In this case, the 93% return comes from misallocated energy inputs that make biodiesel seem far more attractive than it is. Even 93% is woefully inadequate as an energy return.

Which means that neither ethanol from corn nor biodiesel from soy can be scaled. At least they admit that.

This turns out to be the case for cellulosic ethanol and ethanol from sugar cane. (If Brazilians used as much oil per capita as Americans, sugarcane-produced ethanol would meet ~ 4% of their needs.) Algae needs nutrients just the same as any other plant, and its scope is limited. The underlying mechanism is photosynthesis which uses only 100 terawatts of 120,000 terawatts of direct sunlight.

More at oilcrisis.com/junkscience.
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2 of 22
July 18, 2006
Why in the world is there no mention of algae based biodiesel? I notice that this study was performed by a University closely connected with
a farming economy. Farm feedstocks haven't
the ability to compete with algae in any meaningful fashion.
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3 of 22
July 19, 2006
The thing is that they are comparing apples to oranges.

Ethanol can be manufactured from manny substances. Grain, corn, sugar beats, wood, garbage, and ect.

Biodiesel can also be manufactured from peanuts, soybean, sunflower, rape, corn, and ect.

But is alll about how much energy it takes to manufacture and minnerals it eats up from the soil. How long it takes to harvest. Also how much can be sacraficed from the food chain.

These are all variables that need to be gone over. That is why I believe that there should no longer be any one type of fuel source.

We must bring into the industry maltible fueled vehicles. Thats vehicles theat run on gasoline, alcohol, methane. Also vehicles that can run on propane, natural gas, hydrogen,methane gas.
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4 of 22
July 19, 2006
Did the report mention anything about Jatropha Curcas, seems to be what the Germans are promoting as the best plant for producing biofuels. Can grow in semi-arid areas and areas where other things can't grow. For more info just put the name in a search engine.
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5 of 22
July 19, 2006
I was disappointed that neither the article or any of the comments mentioned conservation, which dwarfs all other energy sources. Just legislating that all cars have engines of less than 150 horsepower (30 MPG) would save 3,800,000 barrels of gasoline every day. Of course, even with that, oil from wells will be gone some day, and we will need alternative sources of petroleum. Even if we power our cars with electricity, there is still a need for oil. However, grown energy is not sustainable, and there isn't enough farm land available. As the study showed, all the corn land in the U.S. could only provide 10-12% of our current needs. To just meet E-10 requirements will require farm land the size of the state of Illinois. I hope that cellusose and algae experiments are successful - we're going to need something.
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6 of 22
July 19, 2006
The ethanol/biodiesel debate is centered around fueling transportation. Off most people's radar is a transportation technology called Personal Rapid Transit (PRT). Besides being a significant reducer of traffic congestion, it short circuits the need for vehicle fuels by powering them directly with electricity. No on-board fuels required. This means that the energy can come from any renewable energy source that can deliver electric energy to the grid.

I look to solar and wind power as the most promising renewables as the costs are steadily dropping, particulary versus oil, and they are much more scaleable than enthanol/biodiesel.

PRT development is much farther advanced than is generally known. To all that are involved in searching for renewable energy, I recommend that you put PRT on your watch list.
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7 of 22
July 19, 2006
Martin, the whole point of using oil-producing algae is that is offers the highest yield per acre per year of ANY oil crop. And biodiesel production is not as energy intensive as ethanol or hydrogen.

Enough biodiesel to replace ALL of our transportation needs could be produced from 15,000 square miles of algae ponds. By comparison, the Sonoran Desert in Arizona is 120,000 square miles.

Ethanol is not energy efficient and hydrogen is a pipe dream. Instead of debating these topics here, I encourage you to read the report:

http://changethis.com/9.biodiesel
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8 of 22
July 19, 2006
I think biofuels should be looked to as a method of recycling waste streams but that's it. Growing crops for fuel is like boiling water to get rain for dams. Biofuels get their actual energy gain from the sun. Just grab the solar energy directly via PV. An acre's worth of corn/soy vs. a 10x10 plot of PV. Hmmm...

For transportation our the option looks to be hybrids evolving into pluggable hybrids and 10% electric 10E cars working up to 20E cars etc.

Just my thoughts. Solar should be the plan.
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9 of 22
July 19, 2006
The energy balance of biofuels is only one parameter that should be considered. Another one that the authors have not looked at is land-use efficiency. Biodiesel is woefully inefficient, as only a very small quantity of oil is harvested per hectare of land. We have analyzed this for Canada two years ago and found that biodiesel should not be made from crops, but only from waste vegetable oil. Use the land for something more beneficial, such as switchgrass, as the authors also suggest. See http://www.cec.org/pubs_docs/documents/index.cfm?varlan=english&ID=1557
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10 of 22
July 19, 2006
No doubt net energy balance studies provide interesting and intellectually stimulating work for scientists and engineers, but they are fundamentally irrelevant in the development of public policy. And, as noted above, they have become the darlings of special interests on both sides of the argument. Gasoline is net energy negative, as is nuclear, for example.

Why do we want domestic, renewable sources of energy? Three simple reasons: security, greenhouse gas emissions and polution. The key issue is how we value those goals when we evaluate alternative energy sources. A level playing field would consider the costs of maintaining petroleum security, the sooner or later value of carbon; and the tremedous health costs of respiratory ailments caused by fossil fuels. If a particular source provides a net positive value proposition, then arguments regarding net energy balance are at worst distractions in the debate and at best a secondary consideration.
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11 of 22
July 19, 2006
I agree that we need to develop ALL forms of renewable energy for a sustainable future.

The beauty of oil-producing algae is that they can be fed waste streams from cities, agricultural runoff, and industry. And the byproduct can also be used as a natural fertilizer, so it is a true life-cycle winner.

It is possible to produce enough biodiesel for all of our transportation needs from algae. For details see: http://changethis.com/9.biodiesel
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12 of 22
July 19, 2006
I like the idea of doing full cycle studies to decide where incentive $ should go, but why stop at crop derived fuels, rather than look at all alternative energy options?

My initial reaction to this article is that we are likely to get a far better return from subsidizing wind, wave and tidal power projects, both in terms of energy and net CO2 reduction per $ of subsidy for a very long time yet (i.e., until all but the poorer sites are gone).

It would be great if RE Access could find and publish a study that compares all options.
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13 of 22
July 20, 2006
Farmers in rural communities throughout the world (take Vermont for instance, where I'm from) are growing canola and/or soy (sunflower, etc) on a percentage of their cultivated land, pressing the seed, feeding the high protein meal to their livestock (or selling it to the dairy down the road) and making biodiesel from the oil. The biodiesel (B100 six months out of the year) runs their tractors and equipment to put food on the market shelf and keeps the house warm during the Vermont winter. It's going to take every conceivable option to fill the gap in the pending energy/food and population crisis, I say let the guys with their PhD's debate all they want...Locally produced fuel (and feed and food) to met local/regional needs, coupled with strong conservation and efficiency, wins every time.
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14 of 22
July 20, 2006
Trading in your gasoline car for one that runs on soy based biodiesel is not an ecologically sound idea. www.biodieselrealitycheck.com
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15 of 22
July 21, 2006
Soy, Soy, Soy!

Wrong!

ALGAE, ALGAE, ALGAE!!

Talk about apples and oranges!

Nobody said that soy was the best source of feedstocks for biodiesel. Just as corn is not the best feedstock for ethanol.

In fact soy is quite low on the productivity ladder behind algae, palm, jatropha, sunflowers and canola. The National Diodiesel Board IS an arm of the National Soybean Producers, but they DID fund a lot of the initial research and testing to get Biodiesel approved for widespread use.

We are looking for alternate sources of feedstocks, not converting food sources to fuel. Different crops for different climates. Hence, algae ponds in the desert.

The key is having several choices, and letting technology and the marketplace pick the winners, just as in the automotive and aeronautical development. In trucks, buses and trains with diesels, biodiesel is cleaner burning than petrodiesel, and renewable.

Now I've read your report, please extend the same courtesy and read mine.
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16 of 22
July 24, 2006
Syntec Biofuel scientists and others (such as those involved on algae->biodiesel) are striving to offset Peak Oil decline via the creation of advanced biofuel technologies.

As such, I cordially invite the posters here to visit www.syntecbiofuel.com to learn about 2nd generation ethanol production paths that utilize renewable waste feedstocks or DECs (such as switchgrass).

Our technology is NOT a silver bullet for the crisis we face. In fact, it will take every tool in the toolbox (algae included) to produce domestic LTFs in the quantities needed by North American transportation.

Yes, conservation is the absolute greatest source of oil to be 'found' but Joe America can't run his F150 on it.

An alternative to gasoline/diesel has to be just that - an alternative. And as far as alternatives go, aside from ethanol/biodiesel... there is none.
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17 of 22
July 24, 2006
algae biodesil would turn into another reason for humanity to attack the seas. don't we need the algae for a little something i like to call air?
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18 of 22
July 24, 2006
I am wary of the article due to the content indicating Biodiesel AND SWITCHGRASS BIOFUELS being a more viable alternative, and Biodiesel alone making it into the title of the article. Anyone want to guess about corporate financing of the study?

Switchgrass is radical because family farmers could easily get involved. That would DECENTRALIZE the source of energy while corporations want to centralize and monopolize it. We are already paying people not to grow crops and weasels like chain hotels and motels that own land for future development are getting this subsidy. Since Switchgrass is a PERENNIAL native weed that is insect and drought resistant, it is almost the same thing as have a field not being used or fallow in rotation with other crop land. If we are going to continue with this payment for not growing, why not mandate switchgrass be grown?
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19 of 22
July 27, 2006
I am hearing conflicting reports on Jatropha. It looks like it grows in tropical areas but what I read is that it could also grow in semi-arid areas. Is anyone growing Jatropha in the US? If so, where?
Dee Price
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20 of 22
August 15, 2006
It matters not what Johnny Public wants or needs: Its what the bodies of power want that makes it happen or otherwise: The ruling powers "ALL" have agendas and they are "ALL" concentrated in The "Whats In It For Me" lobby.

Johnny Public not only buys the product but also buys the people who made it happen, all-be-it, indirectly.

Science, Industry, and commerce has in the past been set back time and time again, because they either did not have the big bucks to pay off the beaurocratic scum, or they simply were not in the right back slapping circles.

Whatever benefits come the way of Johnny Public, you can betcha that they were, and will be paid for through the nose untill the lemon has been squeezed dry by the ruling parasites:

Whatever ends up in the gas tanks of our cars will be at the sole discretion of the legislators and their circle of graft peddling, self serving hipocrite paymasters:
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21 of 22
August 27, 2006
I like potentials with easy growing high sweet Sorghum to produce wet alcohol for our coming 20hp-15kW ECO-GEN system that will externally combust wet alcohol (ECO-NOL) at much lower cost than ethanol- the problem is the INTERNAL combustion engines...
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22 of 22
January 5, 2007
Studies are necessarily limited in scope. This study compares ethanol from conventionally farmed corn with biodiesel from conventionally farmed soybeans. Please just take that at face value!
It would be great to see similar studies on biodiesel from algae or ethanol from switchgrass, but those technologies are not nearly so mature or vogue. The US Congress is poised to release lots of money into biofuels, so studies like this are good to influence farm state legislators.

The important thing from this study is that neither fuel is a "silver bullet." They should be used to reduce pollution in high-impact areas, such as bus fleets or marine environments.

But we don't want to trade dependence on Exxon/Mobile with dependence on Archer-Daniels-Midland! The future will require energy sources that are decentralized and locally appropriate. This *will* happen. Wouldn't it be great if we all worked toward that, rather than against it?
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