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Diamonds in the Rough

By Rona Fried
September 19, 2005   |   21 Comments
Nurturing the nanotechnology startups at clean energy incubators.

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"Incubators are a great place to find emerging stars and technologies, prime for partnership or investment."

- Rona Fried, RE Insider

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21 Reader Comments
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1 of 21
September 19, 2005
Ms. Rona Fried,

Diamonds in The Rough;

The recent US Energy Bill, while allocating just enough fundung to 'new technologies' to garner press releases, awards the 'lions share' to the same loser technologies: Big Oil, ITER 'Hot Fusion', Nuclear, Coal Gassification, etc.
Headed by scientists whose minds are closed to 'new'.

Meanwhile the 'shoestring inventors/innovators' are compelled to 'hit the streets with tin cups' and search trash piles as they tinker on their 'unproven' technological breakthroughs.

Roy Stewart
Phoenix AZ
irjsiq@gmail.com
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2 of 21
September 19, 2005
However there are enough people that would retrofit their vehicles to run on hydrogen if it was readily available at gasoline stations that you could create the history of use and the financial numbers that venture capital investors are looking for.

The equipment to retrofit internal combustion engines is readily available off the shelf. The equipment to produce and store hydrogen is available off the shelf.

Although this equipment is good, it is far from perfect. (remember, the perfect is the enemy of the good)

By getting started with less than perfect technology, we can develop the market so that venture capital investors are more likely to fund the new and superior technology.

Thank you,
Charles Butterfield
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3 of 21
September 19, 2005
For example there are a number of new technologies that appear very promising for hydrogen storage for motor vehicles, but currently there is very little hydrogen used in the motor vehicle market.

Investors do not have the history or the financial information they want to see before they commit venture capital dollars to bringing that technology to market.

One way of getting the history and financial numbers is to encourage people to retrofit existing motor vehicles with internal combustion engines to run on hydrogen.

Currently the means of hydrogen storage as a compressed gas or a refrigerated liquid are far from perfect.
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4 of 21
September 19, 2005
Great article!

The author clearly presents the challenge of bringing a new technology to market and getting it funded.

In the 42 years that I have been involced with renewable energy, I think the expression "all dressed up and no place to go" has been applicable more often than not. Also, the perfect has often been the enemy of the good.

We will see a promising technology developed in the research lab, but it does not get venture capital funding because there is no provable market with actual history and numbers that investors can look at.

One way of overcoming the problem of "all dressed up and no place to go" is to create the market with existing off the shelf equipment, although it may be far from perfect.
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5 of 21
September 20, 2005
Above Post Continued: Roy Stewart, Phoenix AZ

By getting started with less than perfect technology, we can develop the market so that venture capital investors are more likely to fund the new and superior technology.

Problem with VC's: Seems they want to eat first !; overlooking the fact that every creature on the Planet has a stomach!
(Legions of: Teachers, Technicians, Mechanics must be trained; NOW! ! ! )

Use the 'stuff' off the shelf' ! Innovation will join the parade !
What is critical: "Get The Show On The Road!"
NOW ! ! !

Roy Stewart
Phoenix AZ
irjsiq@gmail.com

ps. We are already 30 to 130 years behind schedule. Just Read today: pH level of our Oceans is acidifying to the point that Cataclysmic effects on SeaLife may be nearing the 'tipping point'!
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6 of 21
September 20, 2005
Mr. Butterfield,
re.
The equipment to retrofit internal combustion engines is readily available off the shelf. The equipment to produce and store hydrogen is available off the shelf.

Do not wait for the VC's. Start with your local Community Colleges; bright,mechanically inclined High School Students.
Even a reduction of 1% in use of petrol in a converted Internal Combustion Engine is a start!
Legions of: Teachers, Technicians, Mechanics must be trained for this transition. We do not have 20-50 years to wait for the kinks to be removed from fuel cell operation.
Open the floodgates of intellect/innovation by energetic and bright students. Within a short time, with new minds, Hydrogen use will RAPIDLY increase by several orders of magnitude.

Although this equipment is good, it is far from perfect. (remember, the perfect is the enemy of the good)

(SEE ABOVE: Unleash our young minds! Equipment advances will mushroom!) 'Roy'



Roy Stewart
Phoenix AZ
irjsiq@gmail.com
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7 of 21
September 20, 2005
One way we can do that is to encourage owners of vehicles powered by internal combustion engines to retrofit those engines to run on hydrogen.

Fortunately the equipment to retrofit internal combustion engines to run on hydrogen is available off the shelf. You can buy it. It is easy to install. Even a high school dropout can install the equipment to retrofit an internal combustion engine to run on hydrogen. You do not need a PhD in physics to do this. It is not rocket science.

All you have to do is make the hydrogen available at a price that is competitive with gasoline. There are many people who will retrofit their vehicles themselves!

You can actually produce hydrogen with the same energy content at a cost that is less than the present cost of gasoline! This is a first! This is the first time that this has happened in the 42 years that I have been involved with the renewable energy industry! This is huge!!!!!!!!


Thank you,
Charles Butterfield
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8 of 21
September 20, 2005
Thank you, Roy for your comment.

Yes that has been my experience with renewable energy for the last 42 years, and I think that it will continue like that for the next 42 years unless we become proactive and take the steps we need to take to get funding from the venture capitalists.

The good news is that we now have the best opportunity that I have seen in the last 42 years that I have been involved with renewable energy for venture capital funding and stop begging for handouts with our tin cups.

The bad news is that we are blowing it. We are missing that opportunity.


The way we seize this opportunity that we have is that we create the financial history and the numbers that venture capitalists are looking for.
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9 of 21
September 21, 2005
Thank you, Roy:

H2 Nation magazine is an excellent source for information on providers of equipment to produce hydrogen electrolytically and compress it so that it can be stored in tanks.

Also, it is an excellent source of information on exuipment to retrofit internal combustion engines to run on hydrogen.

I recommend the magazine to everyone who is interested in renewable energy.

Thank you,
Charles Butterfield
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10 of 21
September 21, 2005
post continued, Roy,

re. "Off The Shelf" would like source/web-site to research these.
Also: Generated as much H2 onboard as possible. Excess electrical generation, stored in Capacitors, and drawing current for H2 generation would be a start!
israel: H2 storage via Zinc
Sweden? : Storage of H2 in 'pills' which readily store and release H2.
The kinetic energy of Billions of tiny 'tidal' forces; Highway and Railroad traffic.
see: Amar Bose' Electronic Shock Absorber and 'linear generators'. These should be readily adaptable for use as electricity.

Thank you both, and Ms. Fried for publishing her provacative article!
Roy Stewart
Phoenix AZ
irjsiq@gmail.com
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11 of 21
September 21, 2005
Mr. Beazel,
re.
What is the source of the article on the Catastrophic Results of acidic oceans? I have studied this for some time...
-- Vincente Beazel, September 21, 2005
Source: I receive news alerts from many Global sources. Could not locate exact article, but it was published by an Australian newspaper.
via 'Dogpile' Search engine, I typed:
"Acidity of Oceans"
many returns were received.

Thank you both, and Ms. Fried for publishing her provacative article!
Roy Stewart
Phoenix AZ
irjsiq@gmail.com

out of space; continued next post!
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12 of 21
September 21, 2005
Thank you, Vincente for your comments about the shop teachers.

Yes, it would be very helpful to get the topic of retrofitting internal combustion engines included in the curriculum of the auto shop courses at local Junior Colleges.

My experience with curriculum changes is that it is often a time consuming bureaucratic process, and you would have to make the changes at each junor college district. This will take years.

If those changes can be made that is wonderful, but we do not have to wait for them. All we really have to do is make hydrogen readily available at reasonable prices. There are many people who will make the retrofits themselves if the hydrogen is available.

By getting substantial numbers of retrofitted vehicles on the road, that will also increase the demand for courses on the topic at the local colleges. The changes to the curriculum will then be made due to the demand for the courses.

Thank you,
Charles Butterfield
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13 of 21
September 21, 2005
Excuse me, Roy,

I noticed that it was your comment about acidic oceans; we think that there are two main causes; massive dams preventing aerated, fresh waters from reaching the oceans; methane extractions leading to the release of larger quantities of acidic methanes into the oceans - which may create red algea blooms, by depleting oxygen in the great seas.
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14 of 21
September 21, 2005
Charles,

What is the source of the article on the Catastrophic Results of acidic oceans? I have studied this for some time...
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15 of 21
September 21, 2005
The web site for the solar-powered air-conditioner:
www.aecsolar.com

my email is:
vhbeazel@yahoo.com
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16 of 21
September 21, 2005
Charles, Roy;

I support Roy's idea about finding the Shop Teachers; I recently attended a forum at a local college, on a demonstration of a solar-powered air conditioner for homes and small businesses...there were approx. 35 students; five HVAC contractors and two wholesale vendors in attendance, to learn about combining solar/refrigeration in a hybrid system. None of this was possible without the shop teacher bringing it together.
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17 of 21
September 21, 2005
Thank you Roy, you are helping me make my point.

The equipment to retrofit an internal combustion engine to hydrogen is so simple to install even a high school dropout can do it. They do not even have to take auto mechanic courses at the local junior college!!

All they need is hydrogen to refuel their cars at a price that is competitive with gasoline!

Have you ever seen a high school teenager with a hotrod magazine? They figure out how to modify their cars on their own. They do not need teachers. They do not need high school or college autoshop to teach them. All you have to do is provide them with hydrogen at a reasonable price. They will figure out how to modify their cars themselves. Nobody needs to teach them how to do it!!!

Thank you Roy for your input


Thank you,
Charles Butterfield
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18 of 21
September 23, 2005
For Charles Butterfield: What is your view on the hydrogen storage progress that Ovonics has made using carbon nano-tubes? (See: http://www.ovonic.com/ and NYSE: ENER) Do you think they (or anyone) is on the verge of coming out with small units we can store in our vehicle glove box and grab one when we're running low on fuel? Thank you.
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19 of 21
September 25, 2005
This will help develop the infrastructure, because you will have a highly visible market, and demand.

This will help get research funds for the development of better storage methods.

The equipment to retrofit internal combustion engine vehicles is available on the market now. It is a relatively simple task to install the equipment and tune the engine to run on hydrogen.

The key will be the availability of hydrogen at a cost comparable to the cost of gasoline or less. There are people right now who are buying the equipment themselves and retrofitting their vehicles, although the numbers are relatively small right now.

A;so, they often buy electrolysis equipment and compressors for home use so they can create their own hydrogen at home, but refueling away from home is a challenge right now.

Thank you,
Charles Butterfield
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20 of 21
September 25, 2005
Thank you, Laurel:

There are a number of technologies for the storage of hydrogen that I think are very promising. They are all in the research stage, and I expect that it will probably be at least 10 years before any of them are really ready for market.

Current storage techniques are less than ideal, however they are at least a place to start.

As I see it, the best way to encourage the development of superior storage technologies is to have large numbers of vehicles currently in operation retrofitted to run on both hydrogen, and the current fuel of the vehicle, either gasoline of diesel, with a relatively simple chnge made inside the vihicle with the flick of a switch. That way you can still operate the vehicle when you do not have hydrogen.
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21 of 21
September 27, 2005
Thank you Charles for your replies. As a result of your fine suggestion, I have ordered H2Nation magazine because I want to retrofit my TOY RAV4 Int.Comb. engine to use H2. From viewing H2Nation's website, I see that one of the editors says he drives a hydrogen vehicle. What I am wondering is this: do YOU yourself already drive an H2 vehicle, and if so, how do you get your vehicle's supply of H2? I am guessing from home electrolysis equipment. I am also guessing that the magazine editor is doing the same thing. If you have further information on my question, I would be happy to learn more. Thank you for your extremely insightful information! Sincerely, Laurel Duran
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