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World's Largest Solar Project Unveiled

August 10, 2005   |   8 Comments

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"The contract requires no state subsidy and provides favorable pricing for ratepayers because tests have shown the Stirling dish technology can produce electricity at significantly lower costs than other solar technologies."

-Alan Fohrer, SCE chief executive officer
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1 of 8
August 10, 2005
Hello Graham,

you're right and the simplest correct formaulation should be "would provide enough clean power to serve 278,000 ON AVERAGE", because neither the plant's output nor the home's demand are constant.

Overall, this project is very great news for solar energy. however, curiously, PV pannels still get more rooms in mainstream medias with 500 kW projets and kWh at 20 cents than thermodynamic solar.

Seems strange to use thousands of dish-stirlings inbstead of large throughs or central collectors for a project that large (500MW, 50% more than mojave!).

With this project, dish-stirling will be mass-produced, what will shrink their price. This will open the way for smaller projects, perharps as small as one dish - one or two 25 kw generators could be nice for an hotel, an hospital, or a small business.

Sadly, the article let us without two vital informations : price (both capital expense, and cost of electricity) and deadline (when will the project be online?).
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2 of 8
August 10, 2005
Keen.

How about that "would provide enough clean power to serve 278,000 homes for an entire year". The last four words would mean nothing at all, if by "power" the suit meant power. If he meant energy, then two energies are being compared and found equal: that which might be demanded by "278,000 homes" in a year, and that which the plant, if built, would provide over an unspecified interval.The most reasonable guess for that interval would be its lifetime, but that wouldn't be anything to boast about, even hypothetically.

Next most reasonable guess is a year; but then he could have just said the plant would support 278,000 households' demand.


--- Graham Cowan, former hydrogen fan
<a href=http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/Paper_for_11th_CHC.html >boron as energy carrier: real-car range, nuclear cachet</a>
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3 of 8
August 11, 2005
A few additionnal informations

- Construction will be in the 2008-2011 timeframe (SCE site)

- SCe won't have to wait until 2011 to get some "juice" : electricity will be injected into the grid as soon as the first dish is built. This is a positive result of the modular conception.

- This modular conception is also nice for reliability. Some dishes can be outline, this don't affect the other ones.

- Unfortunately, SES says it's now targetting only utility market so nobody can buy one or two dishes "for at least two years".

- They promise a cost of electricity of 0.06$/kWh for large projects. If they manage to do that, this is competitive : roughly the same price than wind power, but production occurs at daytime (more valuable electricity) and is quite reliable (in a desert, wheather is quite predictable)

- Land occupied by suuch a "solar farm" is tiny compared to what is submerged by a hydroelectric plant of similar capacity.
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4 of 8
This is excellent news!

But, together with Cyril Meynier, I would like to know more details.
What is the kWh price SCE is going to pay SES?
How does this price relate to the 12 $cents/kWh SCE is paying Florida Power and Light for the electricity from the SEGS IX station?

But, anyway, a major step forward is made towards the solar economy of the future.

Evert du Marchie van Voorthuysen
Groningen, The Netherlands
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5 of 8
August 12, 2005
I saw almost the exact copy of these units in 1985 at the RETSIE conference in LA. They were then units made by McDonnel/Douglas. It took twenty years. Wow!
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6 of 8
August 12, 2005
What is the cost per KW, or MW for the original installation?

I am trying to compare this fascinating concept to a seemingly foolhardy plan nto try and get a coal gasification plant and CO2 sequestration plant into a fuel cell power plant fired with coal/gas. It is estimated to cost of the fuel cell alone is $400 per KW installed, and no estimate published of the ongoing cost of the electricity produced.
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7 of 8
August 14, 2005
4500 acreas is about 7 square miles of potentially expensive real estate. We should be experimenting with these concepts in abandoned industrial plant areas. Bethlehem Steel, for example, has defunct plants of that size. The auto industry should have many qualifiers. Instead of being an eyesore for 500 years, perhaps we can recycle these facilities using some of the existing infrastructure. As the US continues its industrial decline we should be considering ways of reusing consumed assets and real estate.. ROIs may be better and the environmental apsects will be positive.
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8 of 8
September 7, 2005
-- Rich Barbarics, August 14, 2005
"4500 acreas is about 7 square miles of potentially expensive real estate. We should be experimenting with these concepts in abandoned industrial plant areas."
Not to discount your sugestion, but even in California, desert real estate is not all that expensive. It also is the best kind of a place to build a solar farm with over 5 hours of peak sunshine per day. The plant is also near the biggest metrapolatain area in America (LA and surrounding areas), so it seems like in this case they got the an ideal piece of estate for a good deal. That said, I still think your general idea was a good one.
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